Comments Thread For: Canelo's Coach: Golovkin Has Beaten Nobody, Lower Level Foes!

[aboutfkntime]

No, I don't like onions but apples are delicious, point is Canelo is a middleweight champion and hasn't made Jr middleweight in about three years, that's no myth my man.

Canelo is obviously a JMW.

You can spin it however you like, but it won't change anything.

Canelo is OBVIOUSLY a JMW who can still make 154, as proven by his 30-day, and 7-day, weigh-in.

They fight at 155 out of entitlement, just like they did at 150 when Canelo was a welter..... and Reynoso has explained why on numerous occasions.

They do it to preserve Canelo's career.

It is downright unprofessional, no question...... but does that magically turn Canelo into a middleweight, despite the fact that he has never fought AT middleweight, and never fought A middleweight?

Only if you have Golovjizz in your eyes..... it is 1lb over JMW, FFS.

Canelo will be much stronger at 160.

[aboutfkntime]

Even Kellerman admits that Canelo is not a genuine middleweight.

And so does Tom Loeffler LMAO

[GGG Gloveking]

Nah, that's bull****.

They know Ward can't make 164.

That was a convenient way to duck that fight.

If that was " fair ", then GGG better start chewing lettuce for Canelo.

This is what Loeffler said.....


Loeffler feels that Golovkin is the A-side in any negotiations with Ward, which means they would expect to get a good deal from the negotiations. However, it’s a doable fight as long as Ward is A. willing to accept a 50-50 deal. B Agreeable to a 164lb catch-weight. C. is ready to fight.


But look what happens when I change the names ONLY.....


Loeffler feels that Canelo is the A-side in any negotiations with Golovkin, which means they would expect to get a good deal from the negotiations. However, it’s a doable fight as long as Golovkin is A. willing to accept a 50-50 deal. B Agreeable to a catch-weight. C. is ready to fight.

One side wants everything their own way..... and that side is NOT the A-side when it comes to Canelo.

They pulled that A-side bull**** to disadvantage an opponent on the scales..... now they wanna hide behind the integrity of boxing..... despite the fact that they OBVIOUSLY do not give a flying fat fk about the integrity of boxing.

At the time, Andre Ward was the 168 champ. How would it be unreasonable to assume that Ward could make 164? Also, if we consider Wards counter offer of mid to late 2016 at 168, how is it unreasonable to conclude that Ward couldnt make 164, whem he offered 4 lbs more am entire year later.

The 'quote' you attribute to Loeffler are actually the words of Dan Ambrose, not Tom Loeffler. The only mention Loeffler actually made about Golovkin being the A side was that Ward wanted to dictate terms. Then he gave the actual quote that I provided about everything being 50-50. If we inserted the names into the actual quote, I'm pretty sure Canelo would never want 157; 50-50

[aboutfkntime]

At the time, Andre Ward was the 168 champ. How would it be unreasonable to assume that Ward could make 164? Also, if we consider Wards counter offer of mid to late 2016 at 168, how is it unreasonable to conclude that Ward couldnt make 164, whem he offered 4 lbs more am entire year later.

The 'quote' you attribute to Loeffler are actually the words of Dan Ambrose, not Tom Loeffler. The only mention Loeffler actually made about Golovkin being the A side was that Ward wanted to dictate terms. Then he gave the actual quote that I provided about everything being 50-50. If we inserted the names into the actual quote, I'm pretty sure Canelo would never want 157; 50-50

NO he was not..... he was returning from a period of inactivity, and had just fought Paul Smith AT 172.

They ABSOLUTELY knew that Ward cannot make 164.

And those words most definitely came from Tom Loeffler.....

Golovkin's Promoter: We'd Fight Ward at 164, 50-50 Split.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins-promoter-wed-fight-ward-164-50-50-split--93258

Go do your homework, alt.

[GGG Gloveking]

NO he was not..... he was returning from a period of inactivity, and had just fought Paul Smith AT 172.

They ABSOLUTELY knew that Ward cannot make 164.

And those words most definitely came from Tom Loeffler.....

Golovkin's Promoter: We'd Fight Ward at 164, 50-50 Split.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins-promoter-wed-fight-ward-164-50-50-split--93258

Go do your homework, alt.

Ward vacated the 168 belt on November 21, 2015. Until then, he was recognized as the 168 champ. You've also provided a link for an article that gives the exact quote that I am using. I find it interesting that you dont link the BN24 article by Ambrose which contains the phrase you attribute to Loeffler. So please, spare me the condescending remarks of I need to do my homework and insinuation that I am anyone but myself.

[eco1]

the guy can be a flyweight for all i care, then, earn the flyweight belt, not the middleweight one

[aboutfkntime]

Ward vacated the 168 belt on November 21, 2015. Until then, he was recognized as the 168 champ. You've also provided a link for an article that gives the exact quote that I am using. I find it interesting that you dont link the BN24 article by Ambrose which contains the phrase you attribute to Loeffler. So please, spare me the condescending remarks of I need to do my homework and insinuation that I am anyone but myself.

alt, Loeffler said this..... " We'd Fight Ward at 164, 50-50 Split "

Spin that however you like, because there are plenty of quotes.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins-promoter-wed-fight-ward-164-50-50-split--93258

http://www. boxing news 24 .com/2015/07/loeffler-ggg-would-fight-ward-on-a-50-50-basis-at-164/

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins-coach-andre-ward-go-164-no-fight--93850

http://www.knbr.com/2015/09/16/ward-ggg-golovkin-rejected-5050-offer-to-fight/

Including this tidbit.....

Golovkin and his team are preventing this fight from happening. Golovkin offered to fight the now retired Carl Froch at the super-middleweight limit of 168 lbs., as well as former WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., but wants a catch-weight for Andre Ward?

The 2004 Olympic gold medalist has informed his promoter at Roc Nation Sports that he wants to fight Golovkin next, but he’s not going to fight him at 164 pounds.

“Ward wants to fight Golovkin, and he wants to fight next, but it won’t happen at 164-pounds. By accepting 168 with Carl Froch and Chavez Jr., but then demanding 164 with Ward – it’s their way of saying, ‘we don’t want to fight Andre Ward,” the source revealed to Boxing Scene.

http://thaboxingvoice.com/ward-rejects-164-lb-catch-weight-for-golovkin-fight/48092?var=no

[aboutfkntime]

In a Ward/Golovkin bout, who is the A-side ?

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles-frontpage/21463-in-a-ward-golovkin-bout-who-is-the-a-side

[GGG Gloveking]

Nah, that's bull****.

They know Ward can't make 164.

That was a convenient way to duck that fight.

If that was " fair ", then GGG better start chewing lettuce for Canelo.

This is what Loeffler said.....


Loeffler feels that Golovkin is the A-side in any negotiations with Ward, which means they would expect to get a good deal from the negotiations. However, it’s a doable fight as long as Ward is A. willing to accept a 50-50 deal. B Agreeable to a 164lb catch-weight. C. is ready to fight.


But look what happens when I change the names ONLY.....


Loeffler feels that Canelo is the A-side in any negotiations with Golovkin, which means they would expect to get a good deal from the negotiations. However, it’s a doable fight as long as Golovkin is A. willing to accept a 50-50 deal. B Agreeable to a catch-weight. C. is ready to fight.

One side wants everything their own way..... and that side is NOT the A-side when it comes to Canelo.

They pulled that A-side bull**** to disadvantage an opponent on the scales..... now they wanna hide behind the integrity of boxing..... despite the fact that they OBVIOUSLY do not give a flying fat fk about the integrity of boxing.

Have you forgotten about this statement? You directly attribute the words of Dan Ambrose to Tom Loeffler. You go as far as insert Canelo name into this false "quote". But somehow, I am the one putting a spin on something??

Tom Loeffler said 50-50. You twist that into Golovkin wants an advantage in the ring. Now you've falsely 'quoted' Loeffler and have talked in so much of a circle you're trying to say Im the one misquoting him.

(Hint: in a real quote, the person making the quote rarely uses 3rd person in describing themself)

[GGG Gloveking]

NO he was not..... he was returning from a period of inactivity, and had just fought Paul Smith AT 172.

They ABSOLUTELY knew that Ward cannot make 164.

And those words most definitely came from Tom Loeffler.....

Golovkin's Promoter: We'd Fight Ward at 164, 50-50 Split.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins-promoter-wed-fight-ward-164-50-50-split--93258

Go do your homework, alt.

Ok. So here youre saying that Ward is not a SMW anymore because he is fighting above the SMW limit and hasnt weighed in as a SMW since 2013. However, only a couple of posts prior, you claim Canelo, who hasnt fought as a JMW in quite some time and weighed in above the JMW limit, is somehow not a middleweight. Can you please explain this apparent contradiction?