Comments Thread For: 'Fighting Words' - How One Scorecard Ended Judge Lloyd Scaife's Career

[Shadoww702]

According to this about 150 a match or 25K a year is average:

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/bo...dges-salaries/

You can't live off that in a cheap state like GA let alone a Washington D.C.

That can't be all. What about hotels, airplane, food, gas, rental expenses???

[MC Hammer]

That can't be all. What about hotels, airplane, food, gas, rental expenses???

Most refs and judges probably only do local fights. According to the article that's what this guy sounds like he's doing. So the other fee's are irrelevant. I'm sure judges for PPV fights get that though. That's probably the main reason they keep at it, while having a full-time career.

[SilverMiles]

Yeah but that didn't stop Lara from losing his 0. I REALLY didn't like how the ref. Screwed over Maidana in their rematch. EVERY time Maidana even THOUGHT about punching Floyd, Bayless was right there in between them. Maidana had ZERO chance in that fight with Bayless being SO EAGER to break them up even WHEN Maidana had one arm free. Wouldn't even give Maidana any cance to work ANY inside game plan.

I like Floyd but he didn't need Bayless help to win. Every time I bring this up EVERYone always brings up the 1st fight on how Maidana was allowed to Mug Floyd.

To be fair he should have lost to Molina anyway. So technically it's bad judging that saved it for him and bad judging that took off from him.

[R_Walken]

There shouldn't be any judges that are 85

That's one of the major problems in boxing is the age of the officials. When Arum is critical of the judges ages you know there's a problem with the system.

[Larry the boss]

I never understood why we have mostly old judges in boxing

[Shadoww702]

Most refs and judges probably only do local fights. According to the article that's what this guy sounds like he's doing. So the other fee's are irrelevant. I'm sure judges for PPV fights get that though. That's probably the main reason they keep at it, while having a full-time career.

Makes sense. And they probably tax right-off what ever lil out of pocket expenses they end up do having. Mileage, tolls, etc..

Still not a bad way to spend Saturday night. Plus I'm sure they get a TON of perks!!! Like fighters, promoters, sending up some entertainment/company up to your hotel the night before. Couple gift baskets with wads of cash in them and such.. J/K we know judges would NEVER take bribes.

[Shadoww702]

To be fair he should have lost to Molina anyway. So technically it's bad judging that saved it for him and bad judging that took off from him.

Lol I forgot about that fight!!! So it balanced itself out. Bad judging met even worse judging. Not something I'm proud about when talking about boxing

[djt117]

How come we don't have young judges? Would at least a 40 year old be too much to ask?

The thing is you have to spend some years in the amateurs working for no pay and probably judge at least 500-600 bouts, then kind of have some events come up (whether it's a new venue that will show boxing and, leading to more cards coming to the state, which then requires more judges) or somebody dies or retires, etc.

Most people aren't going to start in their 20s (they're out partying and living life), 30s probably having kids, and 40s maybe now finally they kind of have the career & the disposable income available to pay for their own transportation costs to some big amateur tournament like Nationals or NY Golden Gloves, etc. and you need those big-tournament experiences (on top of dozens and dozens of local shows) to build your credentials for consideration as a prospective pro judge.

Then it takes years of building up a resume of professional judging experience (4 and 6-rounders) to get to be at the title fight level, and a several more years after that before you've proven yourself worthy of handling the BIG fights.

Basically, you're at least 60 by the time you really can accumulate the body of experience we'd all expect a top-tier world-class judge to have.

It's the system and there's not much you can do about it.

I think a re-calibration (where you have judges re-score say, 5 randomly selected fights, every 3 years, and make sure they're not slipping as they age, could be a good thing).

[djt117]

According to this about 150 a match or 25K a year is average:

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/bo...dges-salaries/

You can't live off that in a cheap state like GA let alone a Washington D.C.

My fault this is for Refs...for judges its similar with between 20-40K 40 probably going to PPV judges

http://www.ehow.com/info_8632384_box...-salaries.html

This is wildly inaccurate. I have a family member who judges in Vegas, NY, AC, etc all the time. You make far less than that, and you're also not taking into consideration all the fees they have to pay to attend multiple sanctioning bodies annual conferences which are often in random ass parts of the globe like Russia or Peru, and the time you have to take off work to attend them. And also the local shows where you leave work early and drive to a show in another state, come back at wee hours in the morning, and after food and gas you actually lost money. But if you don't do those shows, the commissions won't reward you with the big fights that everyone wants to do. Basically you kind of have to have the kind of career where you're a boss and can take your vacation time as you please with short notice, or be self-employed.

If judging boxing paid the way you think it does, we'd all be doing it LOL

[Bobby Tony]

You have to appreciate his transparency. It takes character to realize you're slipping and come clean about it. At least he's not trying to hide or deny it.