Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: DeGale May Be Easier To Make Than Brook

[HeroBando]

They're each other's mandos. There's no distinguishable difference.

Eitherway, it would be as simple as having the step aside contract state that Canelo won't force a purse bid during that time. So it would still be Canelo's privilege stopping the WBC from forcing purse bid if you want to put it that way. And if Canelo is unwilling to agree to that simple request in the contract, there would have been no reason for Golovkin not to have Canelo stripped in January because it would show the fight was never going to happen anyway. And then they could move on the Ward with no obstacles.

Dude there's no "each others mando". Mando = mandatory challenger. If mando is not ready when the mando shot is due, they go down the list. Ggg can't strip him in Jan cause Canelo is ready for may, and Ggg isn't cause he signed for another fight.

[PulpFriction]

Kell Brook is willing to go up 10lbs and Loeffler is not sure about his fighter dropping down 3lbs?

Come on, man.

And your dumbass will be right back on nsb ridiculing Golovkin for fighting a smaller fighter even if he did drop the weight SMH

[SteveM]

I'm not saying he's all that but IMO I would rate only Murray better as a win.

Lemuix got KTFO by Rubio.

Geale never fought anyone and thought he was always over rated

Macklin uggg!!! Paulie fisted Jorge Heiland KO'd him.

Outside of Murray who should of got the win against Sergio those other guys have fought jack sht.

Barrera has only fought 17 times but he's never got KTFO by scrubs like those other guys did.

All I can go off of is what I see? Losing UD to P4P top #3 Ward or getting KTFO by Rubio, Heiland, and a BUNCH of other nobodies.

Please name the guys three guys better then Him that GGG beat as a pro???

Personally I've got Geale, lemieux and Murray higher than Barrera. I think Barrera was like a Monroe or Curtis Stevens kind of level - at the time Golovkin fought them. Being unbeaten is not all that when you have 17 fights - it really really isn't. Especially when your best win was against a 40 something Solomon.
Lemieux was a champion. A limited champion but still a champion. Who cares, except Golovkin haters, that he lost to Rubio. Rubio was better back then and Lemieux was inexperienced and worse. Geale was a two time ex champion. Murray should have been a champion twice being robbed.

At the time Golovkin fought Stevens many on here said he had a bunchers chance against GGG. That was all anybody said Barrera had. Nobody fought Barrera could win a decision.

[DoktorSleepless]

Dude there's no "each others mando". Mando = mandatory challenger.

There's no distinguishable difference. Both have the exact same privileges because they both have to agree to any agreement to step aside. There's theoretically no champ privilege to avoid a mandatory anymore than there is a mandatory privilege to avoid a champion. Maybe if there's some injury involved, but that would be completely irrelevant to the conversation.

If mando is not ready when the mando shot is due, they go down the list. Ggg can't strip him in Jan cause Canelo is ready for may, and Ggg isn't cause he signed for another fight.

Canelo had to agree in January to fight in late March/early April or to step aside. If Canelo says he's ready to fight in May instead of April, they could fight in May, and they could still make it not interfere with a Ward fight at all. Ward is okay waiting for a year for Kovalev. You'll think he'll care about an extra couple months for Golovkin? Put that **** in that contract the Ward-Golovkin fight date is dependent on what Canelo decides. Ward-Golovkin would either happens mid year, or after Canelo-GGG. The most likely scenario would have been Golvokin-Ward midyear, and then Canelo-GGG at the end of the year. Pretty much everyone knew from the start that if GGG-Canelo was going to happen at all, it would have happened at the end of the year anyway.

If you mean after Canelo will renegade on the step aside contract after the Khan fight in May, and tries the to force a purse bid, then you have a lawsuit on your hands. If you believe Canelo is that desperate to avoid Golovkin to break a legally binding contract, then you must believe Canelo-Golvokin will never happen in the first place, so I don't understand why we're even still having this conversation.

Canelo going renegade breaking that contract seems unlikely though because the WBC would have to have given the blessing back in January. And they would have done it because it seems WBC wants to make GGG-Canelo as badly as anyone.

[HeroBando]

There's no distinguishable difference. Both have the exact same privileges because they both have to agree to any agreement to step aside. There's theoretically no champ privilege to avoid a mandatory anymore than there is a mandatory privilege to avoid a champion.




Canelo had to agree in January to fight to fight in late March/early April or to step aside. If Canelo says he's ready to fight in May instead of April, they could fight in May, and they could still make it not interfere with a Ward fight at all. Ward is okay waiting for a year for Kovalev. You'll think he'll care about an extra couple months for Golovkin? Put that **** in that contract the Ward-Golovkin fight date is depending on what Canelo decides. Ward-Golovkin would either happens mid year, or after Canelo-GGG. The most likely scenario would have been Golvokin-Ward midyear, and then Canelo-GGG. Pretty much everyone knew from the start that if GGG-Canelo was going to happen at all, it would have happened at the end of the year anyway.

If you mean after Canelo will renegade on the step aside contract after Khan, and tries the to force a purse bid, then you have a lawsuit on your hands. If you believe Canelo is that desperate to avoid Golovkin to break a legally binding contract, then you must believe Canelo-Golvokin will never happen in the first place, so I don't understand why we're even still having this conversation.

Canelo going renegade breaking that contract seems unlikely though because the WBC would have to have given the blessing back in January. And they would have done it because it seems WBC wants to make GGG-Canelo as badly as anyone.

I believe Canelo will take any out there is. That means, if Ggg is not ready cause he's signed for another fight, Canelo is not stepping aside. Whether Ward would, no idea, but it'd be ******ed to agree to 50/50 if there's a good chance of Canelo going down first. So it's either Ggg drop the mando, or Ward locks in 50/50 post Canelo, clown business

[DoktorSleepless]

I believe Canelo will take any out there is.

There's no out though. WBC would have to have given the Ward-Golovkin fight its blessing in January during the Canelo-Golovkin voluntary negotiations just like the WBC its blessing for the Canelo and Golovkin interim fights. Canelo wouldn't be able to suddenly call a purse bid during Ward-Golovkin for no reason because both Canelo and WBC would have to agree in January.

If Canelo refuses to agree to a step aside deal in January with Ward-Golovkin as part of the deal, and doesn't want to fight early in the year, as I said, there's no reason for Golovkin not to have Canelo stripped in January. Canelo would have made his intentions clear that he was never going to fight him.

That means, if Ggg is not ready cause he's signed for another fight, Canelo is not stepping aside.

LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT. What part of that don't you understand?

Whether Ward would, no idea, but it'd be ******ed to agree to 50/50 if there's a good chance of Canelo going down first.

You keep on mentioning an imaginary 50/50, but split was never discussed. That still had to be negotiated. But now you're moving the goal posts.

And if you still want to argue clown negotiations to agree to Ward after a Canelo fight, simply put it in the Ward-GGG contract that it would be contingent on Canelo agreeing to the step aside in in January. (which if you're honest with yourself, would have been the case)

[KnickTillDeaTh]

The rules are flexible for A side champs, not B side challengers. If the mando is due in may, and the challenger signed for a fight in the timeframe, they move on to the next guy. Esp when the hugely marketable champ is desperate to avoid that one mando. You're smart enough to get this so what gives?

Your talking as if you have intimate details on what was in that contract. There was no stipulation that GGG couldn't fight Canelo, correct? From what we know of the contract both fighters would get tune ups and then fight eachother, correct? If GGG seriously wanted the fight with Ward, he could have added a stipulation to that contract that designates any fight with Canelo, that may occur with in the time frame of said contract, automatically results in a postponement of fulfillment until the Canelo fight is completed. Fact is you don't know, and I don't know what the contract entailed. So the only facts we have regarding this contract is that Ward offered a route to a Ward vs. GGG fight, and it was turned down by GGG and his people, turned down, not negotiated.

[HeroBando]

There's no out though. WBC would have to have given the Ward-Golovkin fight its blessing in January during the Canelo-Golovkin voluntary negotiations just like the WBC its blessing for the Canelo and Golovkin interim fights. Canelo wouldn't be able to suddenly call a purse bid during Ward-Golovkin for no reason because both Canelo and WBC would have to agree in January.

If Canelo refuses to agree to a step aside deal in January with Ward-Golovkin as part of the deal, and doesn't want to fight early in the year, as I said, there's no reason for Golovkin not to have Canelo stripped in January. Canelo would have made his intentions clear that he was never going to fight him.



LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT. What part of that don't you understand?


You keep on mentioning an imaginary 50/50, but split was never discussed. That still had to be negotiated. But now you're moving the goal posts.

And if you still want to argue clown negotiations to agree to Ward after a Canelo fight, simply put it in the Ward-GGG contract that it would be contingent on Canelo agreeing to the step aside in in January. (which if you're honest with yourself, would have been the case)

That's rich. What's early in the year, 3 months after Cotto? You dont really believe that? Might as well stop bringing up the Ggg Canelo stepaside, there was mutual consent there.

50/50 is what the famous Ward offer was for, right? It was already very ambitious without a Canelo fight prior. Even 60/40, whatever number they were willing to drop down to, nobody commits to a number like that vs B sider with the prospect of a super fight Ppv prior. If Winky tells Floyd back in 2007, let's commit to 50/50 after you're done with Oscar, reasonable deal? I mean, maybe he could be negotiated down to 40/60 lol

[DoktorSleepless]

That's rich. What's early in the year, 3 months after Cotto? You dont really believe that? Might as well stop bringing up the Ggg Canelo stepaside, there was mutual consent there.

50/50 is what the famous Ward offer was for, right? It was already very ambitious without a Canelo fight prior. Even 60/40, whatever number they were willing to drop down to, nobody commits to a number like that vs B sider with the prospect of a super fight Ppv prior. If Winky tells Floyd back in 2007, let's commit to 50/50 after you're done with Oscar, reasonable deal? I mean, maybe he could be negotiated down to 40/60 lol

Golovkin agrees to let Canelo fight Khan May. Canelo agrees to let Golovkin fight Ward in whatever time is best for them. No purse bid is called due to mutual beneficial agreement. What in the world is so complicated that it's so hard for you to understand?

Canelo was never going to fight Golovkin after Cotto. I knew that. You knew that. K2 knew that. Roc Nation knew that. Canelo would have an interim fight regardless. Zero scheduling conflicts.

If for some miracle Canelo decided to fight Golovkin in May (which wasn't going to happen unless you're lying to yourself), Ward fight is cancelled. Put that in the Ward-GGG contract. Simple as that.

[methodcal]

As humble as shawn porter is he still manages to say what he feels, i like ggg but i swear he gotta do better. Fck this unify bs make fights or fire your promoter. Even the greatest Mw of alltime conceded to Srl to get the fight jeez.