Golovkin declared Top 24 P4P of last 25 years

[j0zef]

the inconsistency is why its so hard to have a decent boxing convo on this forum

Wilder is in the same position GGG is....he is a titleholder, who has not faced the champion but is a highly ranked contender

nothing more or less....bet you wont see wilder on a top ten heavyweights of the last 10 years....or any list...why? RESUME MATTERS

But they're not the same.

-Wilder has ONE win on his resume vs a top10 contender. Everyone else has been in the 20-50 range. That win is the only decision Wilder has. Against Szpilka, Wilder lost 3 rounds out 8 that they fought, with many people saying that the fight could go either way.
-There have been many people who have challenged Wilder through the years. Wlad was trying to get a fight with him for awhile, with Wilder saying he's not ready. The Povetkin fight is taking 6-9 lbs to get made.
-Wilder doesn't pass the eye test. He has got wobbled in almost fight he's been in and was made to look silly multiple times.

Golovkin is almost the exact opposite.
-Almost everyone he's fought in the last 4 years has been in top10 at the time of the fight.
-He passes the eye test. Forget the knockouts. Look at the scoring of his fights. At most, he has lost ONE round in any of his HBO fights.
-He's constantly avoided. Maravilla, Sturm, Quillin, BJS, Cotto & Canelo all had a reason not to make the fight. The only thing that even Golovkin haters have on him is the fact that Ward fight did not get made. Regardless of whose fault it is (and I'm not here to rehash the same argument for the 59823nd time), Ward is 2 divisions above him.


In short, you can keep saying that they're both the same, but they're not. All the boxing pundits and experts realize it, the only ones who don't are the people who try to discredit him.

[therealpugilist]

But they're not the same.

-Wilder has ONE win on his resume vs a top10 contender. Everyone else has been in the 20-50 range. That win is the only decision Wilder has. Against Szpilka, Wilder lost 3 rounds out 8 that they fought, with many people saying that the fight could go either way.
-There have been many people who have challenged Wilder through the years. Wlad was trying to get a fight with him for awhile, with Wilder saying he's not ready. The Povetkin fight is taking 6-9 lbs to get made.
-Wilder doesn't pass the eye test. He has got wobbled in almost fight he's been in and was made to look silly multiple times.

Golovkin is almost the exact opposite.
-Almost everyone he's fought in the last 4 years has been in top10 at the time of the fight.
-He passes the eye test. Forget the knockouts. Look at the scoring of his fights. At most, he has lost ONE round in any of his HBO fights.
-He's constantly avoided. Maravilla, Sturm, Quillin, BJS, Cotto & Canelo all had a reason not to make the fight. The only thing that even Golovkin haters have on him is the fact that Ward fight did not get made. Regardless of whose fault it is (and I'm not here to rehash the same argument for the 59823nd time), Ward is 2 divisions above him.


In short, you can keep saying that they're both the same, but they're not. All the boxing pundits and experts realize it, the only ones who don't are the people who try to discredit him.

eye test and p4p are opinion based...the facts are both hold trinkets, rack up kos, and have not EARNED the distinction as champ in their divsion

whether you are avoided or not, you dont get credit for fights that are NOT made

[HeroBando]

eye test and p4p are opinion based...the facts are both hold trinkets, rack up kos, and have not EARNED the distinction as champ in their divsion

whether you are avoided or not, you dont get credit for fights that are NOT made

Of course Ggg is the man at MW. The other 2 beltholders pretty much admit it.

[j0zef]

eye test and p4p are opinion based...the facts are both hold trinkets, rack up kos, and have not EARNED the distinction as champ in their divsion

whether you are avoided or not, you dont get credit for fights that are NOT made

Yes, P4P is opinion based, which was confirmed by one of the ESPN writers. The experts' opinion is that Golovkin deserves to be on that P4P list and Wilder's not even close.

[Eff Pandas]

In 2016 ESPN is to boxing what Charlie Sheen is to being a model citizen I think one could argue. I like GGG, he's fun to watch, he's talented, but he's not even proven he's the best guy in his division yet. Granted I consider him #1 in the division today, as others do too since thats how rankings tend to work with someone needing to be #1, but there is a dispute to his best guy in the division claim (regardless of those circumstances that is the case like it or not). Anyone who's on a top 24 list for the last 2 & a half decades should have been the best guy without dispute in their division.

[Eff Pandas]

Anyone defending GGG being top 25 of the last 25 is simply doing so because they like him.

I think some people give GGG points for fights he never had with the likes of Martinez, Cotto & Canelo is another angle to GGG's over inflation of his accomplishments & status. It can be an easy trap for some fans to fall into cuz GGG is a fun fighter to watch, he is a skilled/talented fighter & like Manny (minus the gay ****) is one of the most likeable fighters in the game today. He's an easy guy for some fans to be unreasonable about basically.

[Golden Boi 360]

ESPN just dropped #4

RJJ

[therealpugilist]

I think some people give GGG points for fights he never had with the likes of Martinez, Cotto & Canelo is another angle to GGG's over inflation of his accomplishments & status. It can be an easy trap for some fans to fall into cuz GGG is a fun fighter to watch, he is a skilled/talented fighter & like Manny (minus the gay ****) is one of the most likeable fighters in the game today. He's an easy guy for some fans to be unreasonable about basically.

when did fighters start getting credit for fights that didnt happen....

[Eff Pandas]

when did fighters start getting credit for fights that didnt happen....

Probably this era when so many fights that should be happening aren't happening. I think people have looked at things that way previously with how they downplay certain fights as forgone conclusions, but GGG is a guy who I feel has benefited in a way I don't think I'd say anyone else has before him with getting hype from fights that never happened. Like I said I think there is more to it than that. He's got many qualities fans like too so he's a guy who's gonna be more highly considered off of those realities too.

And fwiw not saying its right or wrong if it is true, but its the feeling I get from many fans these days. In these type of fans minds by Sergio, Miguel & Canelo putting so much effort into not fighting GGG, GGG has gained some points & shadow W's over those guys.

[therealpugilist]

Probably this era when so many fights that should be happening aren't happening. I think people have looked at things that way previously with how they downplay certain fights as forgone conclusions, but GGG is a guy who I feel has benefited in a way I don't think I'd say anyone else has before him with getting hype from fights that never happened. Like I said I think there is more to it than that. He's got many qualities fans like too so he's a guy who's gonna be more highly considered off of those realities too.

And fwiw not saying its right or wrong if it is true, but its the feeling I get from many fans these days. In these type of fans minds by Sergio, Miguel & Canelo putting so much effort into not fighting GGG, GGG has gained some points & shadow W's over those guys.

yet i get called a hater for pointing this out....you dont get credit for fights that never happened...bottom line...NO FIGHT IS A FOREGONE conclusion...otherwise we wouldnt have terms like upset...or fighters labled spoilers, who beat who they are not suppose to