Golovkin declared Top 24 P4P of last 25 years

[therealpugilist]

Of course Ggg is the man at MW. The other 2 beltholders pretty much admit it.

fights on won in the ring...not message boards...canelo is the champion until he loses and GGG is just another one of boxings trinket holders...its sucks...as a fan it does...but its the truth

[HeroBando]

fights on won in the ring...not message boards...canelo is the champion until he loses and GGG is just another one of boxings trinket holders...its sucks...as a fan it does...but its the truth

Not if the other guys refuse to get in the Ring with you. Canelo is a paper champ anyway. You can't be the Mw champ if you refuse to fight above 155

[techliam]

fights on won in the ring...not message boards...canelo is the champion until he loses and GGG is just another one of boxings trinket holders...its sucks...as a fan it does...but its the truth

Why do you hold lineal titles to different standards to ABC titles?

A title needs to be legitimised by the fighter. Golovkin's unified championship is far more legitimate than Canelo's unified one.

Your position is one that requires justification, you seem to be passing an assumption as a matter of fact

[OnePunch]

Why do you hold lineal titles to different standards to ABC titles?

A title needs to be legitimised by the fighter. Golovkin's unified championship is far more legitimate than Canelo's unified one.

Your position is one that requires justification, you seem to be passing an assumption as a matter of fact

he's an idiot. By his logic Roy Jones was a nobody at 175 because Michaelczewski was lineal.

newsflash: lineal doesnt mean what it did 50 years ago.

[DreamerUSA]

eye test and p4p are opinion based...the facts are both hold trinkets, rack up kos, and have not EARNED the distinction as champ in their divsion

whether you are avoided or not, you dont get credit for fights that are NOT made

This will be my last reply because it just seems you don't get it. P4P and the best/ATG are two seperate lists with different criteria. The best/ATG are based on resume/accomplishments and less susceptible to opinon, p4p is based on fantasy matchups and thus pure speculation. Always has been. Don't know what this modern day hard on is about resumes when it comes to fantasy matchups, when as I stated in a previous post, the triangle theory is next to useless in the sport of boxing. Now if you can find someone on a guys resume with a similar style as his opponent and use that to come to a conclusion on who will win, great. But just stomping your feet and saying a guy has no business on a p4p list because of his resume, defeats the purpose of a p4p list. if thats the case we just need to have one list and have it named "The Most Accomplished Mother****er in Boxing" list.

As for Wilder, again. The glaring difference between the two is the skill gap. GGG is doing windmill jams, while Wilder is bricking layups.

[OnePunch]

This will be my last reply because it just seems you don't get it. P4P and the best/ATG are two seperate lists with different criteria. The best/ATG are based on resume/accomplishments and less susceptible to opinon, p4p is based on fantasy matchups and thus pure speculation. Always has been. Don't know what this modern day hard on is about resumes when it comes to fantasy matchups, when as I stated in a previous post, the triangle theory is next to useless in the sport of boxing. Now if you can find someone on a guys resume with a similar style as his opponent and use that to come to a conclusion on who will win, great. But just stomping your feet and saying a guy has no business on a p4p list because of his resume, defeats the purpose of a p4p list. if thats the case we just need to have one list and have it named "The Most Accomplished Mother****er in Boxing" list.

As for Wilder, again. The glaring difference between the two is the skill gap. GGG is doing windmill jams, while Wilder is bricking layups.

Preach it!!!!!!

[TheCell8]

eye test and p4p are opinion based...the facts are both hold trinkets, rack up kos, and have not EARNED the distinction as champ in their divsion

whether you are avoided or not, you dont get credit for fights that are NOT made

Of course the eye test matters... Fighters who pass the eye test i.e. Look impressive and/or unstoppable have a harder time building their resume because fighters are reluctant to step into the ring with them. Danny doesn't pass the eye test but his resume is good because everyone wants to fight him and he's getting opportunities that fighters like GGG don't get. The guys that have legitimately showed interest in fighting with GGG are either not in his weight class, or are with a promoter that doesn't work with HBO. If you offer anyone a fight with Danny, they're going to jump on it. He's probably the most called out boxer out there. To his credit he has won all the fights he's taken, but he's also had guys in his weight class willing to fight him.

You ask any WW to fight with Danny Garcia they'll say, where do I sign?

You ask anyone at MW if they want to fight GGG it's "I need $3-4M", "I need fight to marinate" "I have family issues" (Peter Quillin special)

I just used Danny as an example, it could apply to many other boxers.

The point is, the eye test matters. Whether it's the most important thing is up for debate.

[therealpugilist]

he's an idiot. By his logic Roy Jones was a nobody at 175 because Michaelczewski was lineal.

newsflash: lineal doesnt mean what it did 50 years ago.

sorry to burst your bubble but im not a biased troll and fan boy

Roy is my favorite all time fighter...he beat a lot of top contenders in his era but he never won the lineal title

get over it

it means the same thing it did 50 years ago....fan boys like you try to dilute the significance because a fighter you like has not EARNED the distinction

[therealpugilist]

Of course the eye test matters... Fighters who pass the eye test i.e. Look impressive and/or unstoppable have a harder time building their resume because fighters are reluctant to step into the ring with them. Danny doesn't pass the eye test but his resume is good because everyone wants to fight him and he's getting opportunities that fighters like GGG don't get. The guys that have legitimately showed interest in fighting with GGG are either not in his weight class, or are with a promoter that doesn't work with HBO. If you offer anyone a fight with Danny, they're going to jump on it. He's probably the most called out boxer out there. To his credit he has won all the fights he's taken, but he's also had guys in his weight class willing to fight him.

You ask any WW to fight with Danny Garcia they'll say, where do I sign?

You ask anyone at MW if they want to fight GGG it's "I need $3-4M", "I need fight to marinate" "I have family issues" (Peter Quillin special)

I just used Danny as an example, it could apply to many other boxers.

The point is, the eye test matters. Whether it's the most important thing is up for debate.

danny garcia doesnt recieve half the hype or promo of GGG yet he has a far better resume and actually was the man in his division...he proved it in the ring


sorry GGG riders...he hasnt

[therealpugilist]

This will be my last reply because it just seems you don't get it. P4P and the best/ATG are two seperate lists with different criteria. The best/ATG are based on resume/accomplishments and less susceptible to opinon, p4p is based on fantasy matchups and thus pure speculation. Always has been. Don't know what this modern day hard on is about resumes when it comes to fantasy matchups, when as I stated in a previous post, the triangle theory is next to useless in the sport of boxing. Now if you can find someone on a guys resume with a similar style as his opponent and use that to come to a conclusion on who will win, great. But just stomping your feet and saying a guy has no business on a p4p list because of his resume, defeats the purpose of a p4p list. if thats the case we just need to have one list and have it named "The Most Accomplished Mother****er in Boxing" list.

As for Wilder, again. The glaring difference between the two is the skill gap. GGG is doing windmill jams, while Wilder is bricking layups.

blah blah blah....proof is in the pudding...a fighter is only as good as their opposition...his is decent......thats it...i dont agree with you...only him facing better opposition will change that....move on