A 50-50 split with Ward would've been GGG's biggest purse

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  • about.thousands
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    A 50-50 split with Ward would've been GGG's biggest purse

    If they're looking for a money fight Ward was the money fight at 50-50 The only B-side fighters who've made money fighting Floyd have been fighters who brought something to the table. Such as PPV buys in their own country or a big following a la Hatton. Is there a huge PPV market in Kazakhstan I don't know anything about?

    Why does K2 and Sanchez think GGG can make $10-$15 mil fighting Froch and put 80,000 butts in the seats at Wembley Stadium? Froch-Groves II was a once in a lifetime event. It was a perfect storm of events that led to that fight. They'd sell out the O2 but Hearn is gonna **** K2 in negotiations because he knows how desperate they are to make the fight. Groves got a guaranteed purse of 2 million lbs. Where are they getting the $10-$15 million figure? American's are getting up at 5am to buy a PPV fight. They didn't even buy his 9pm PPV fight. Is Kazakhstan the new hotbed for $100 PPV's? The only fight in the UK that could sell out Wembley is Joshua-Fury. Maybe some posters from the UK can better explain how rare Froch-Groves II was.

    Oscar is talking a 90-10 split. The best they can do with a purse bid is 75-25. We can speculate on purse bid price. I'll say $15 is being very generous and $10 mil is probably more realistic. So that's between $3.75 and $2.5 mil. And that's with Canelo getting the lions share of the PPV cut in the U.S. and Mexico. This fight isn't happening. I think the main reason the fight isn't happening is because GBP is about to pay a lot of money to All-Star boxing for their tortious interference case. The case starts May 21st and they're seeking damages for profits from all of Canelo's fights since he's been with GBP. They can't risk a Canelo loss and risk his future earnings. I also think this will be the reason Canelo turns down the fight. The case has been delayed due to Canelo claiming interference with his fights and training. This will be a good cover for Canelo to reject the fight and not lose credibility.

    People like to say Ward isn't a draw but he's consistently sold out his home town. He's consistently gotten good ratings on HBO. Even his 350k on BET was a good rating taking into account BET doesn't usually show boxing and most non-black people can't even find BET or their provider doesn't carry it. Ward is more known than Lemieux was/is. If GGG-Lemieux did 150k then Ward-GGG would've doubled that. The proposal Ward sent was for them to fight late 2016. That would've been the only PPV worth buying so far this year. Delvin Rodriguez got $1 mil for fighting Ward on HBO Championship Boxing. GGG could triple that and get a nice cut of the PPV.

    K2 took a risk with that Lemieux PPV and it backfired. They're in a weaker position now than before the fight. Come November 2016 Ward-Kovalev does 400k PPV and GGG will be stuck fighting Heiland because Canelo vacated and Jacobs and Saunders fought in August. They'll be even more desperate to get GGG a top name and get even more ****d in negotiations.
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    Last edited by about.thousands; 03-28-2016, 11:49 AM.
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    Jesus christ let it go. Ward is at 175 and Golovkin is at 160. Golovkin offered a fight in 2012 to Ward which Ward rejected. Fast forward a few years and Ward briefly contacted K2 about a fight, which was right after they signed to fight Lemieux. Ward wanted a deal to fight at the end of 2016, K2 said no since they thought they were getting Cotto/Canelo next, Ward says fine and moves up to 175. Move on people, the window has closed.

    Arguing about a theoretical purse split in a theoretical fight is beyond ******.

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      you ask a good question but a better question is how much more would GGG make fighting Froch? i say at least 2-3 times more, he might not make 10-15 million but he would make much more fighting Froch. vs Ward 50/50 it would be 2-3 million a piece, they would both make money but not crazy money. vs. Froch i see him making anywhere from 6-10 million but heck i dont know for sure its all speculation.

      Also vs. Froch win or lose it will be a fight to remember, vs Ward probably will be a boring drawn out fight that won't do anyone's image any favors.

      To answer your question if GGG took the Ward fight and fought him November this year then it would be his biggest payday unless he and Canelo agree to fight.

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        #4
        Originally posted by ИATAS
        Golovkin offered a fight in 2012
        lol promoted to WBA... he fought who?

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          Originally posted by ИATAS
          Jesus christ let it go. Ward is at 175 and Golovkin is at 160. Golovkin offered a fight in 2012 to Ward which Ward rejected. Fast forward a few years and Ward briefly contacted K2 about a fight, which was right after they signed to fight Lemieux. Ward wanted a deal to fight at the end of 2016, K2 said no since they thought they were getting Cotto/Canelo next, Ward says fine and moves up to 175. Move on people, the window has closed.

          Arguing about a theoretical purse split in a theoretical fight is beyond ******.
          You're correct about the date. Imma edit that part. But the part about they thought they were getting Canelo or Cotto is wrong. They agreed not to fight the winner. They could've forced the fight. Canelo would've vacated and they'd still have a big fight lined up in November this year. The Canelo fight isn't happening this year.

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            Yes. But the choices are:

            A) $3-4 million today and take a loss


            B) $1M per fight/2-3X per year + Step aside fees + cashout of $5-6 million in 2017/2018.


            That's all it boils down to. It's time to put this topic to rest.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Irony123
              you ask a good question but a better question is how much more would GGG make fighting Froch? i say at least 2-3 times more, he might not make 10-15 million but he would make much more fighting Froch. vs Ward 50/50 it would be 2-3 million a piece, they would both make money but not crazy money. vs. Froch i see him making anywhere from 6-10 million but heck i dont know for sure its all speculation.

              Also vs. Froch win or lose it will be a fight to remember, vs Ward probably will be a boring drawn out fight that won't do anyone's image any favors.

              To answer your question if GGG took the Ward fight and fought him November this year then it would be his biggest payday unless he and Canelo agree to fight.
              How will GGG ge more money than Groves? That's the part I'm not understanding. There's a reason no one else has sold 80,000 seats in Wembley. That isn't a routine thing. That's rare

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                Is this inappropriate?

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                • Irony123
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by about.thousands
                  How will GGG ge more money than Groves? That's the part I'm not understanding. There's a reason no one else has sold 80,000 seats in Wembley. That isn't a routine thing. That's rare
                  i think he will get more than Groves but not by much so maybe he'll make 5-6 million. Froch's popularity was all time high and GGGs popularity was growing now keep in mind this is the Froch and GGG of back then, GGG is bigger now and will be bigger by November.

                  I am very confident GGG would make more fighting Froch than Ward and he will get a big piece of that UK fan base if he was to beat Froch in a spectacular fashion.

                  There is no denying that Froch would have been the best option all around (purse/popularity) at SMW, but i also think Ward was a good option, just not as good.

                  Of course Canelo and Cotto were the best option (at the time the decision to pass Ward was made), too bad that it doesn't look like Canelo will fight GGG, oh well **** happens.

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                    Originally posted by about.thousands
                    Why does K2 and Sanchez think GGG can make $10-$15 mil fighting Froch and put 80,000 butts in the seats at Wembley Stadium? Froch-Groves II was a once in a lifetime event. It was a perfect storm of events that led to that fight. They'd sell out the O2 but Hearn is gonna **** K2 in negotiations because he knows how desperate they are to make the fight. Groves got a guaranteed purse of 2 million lbs. Where are they getting the $10-$15 million figure? American's are getting up at 5am to buy a PPV fight. They didn't even buy his 9pm PPV fight. Is Kazakhstan the new hotbed for $100 PPV's? The only fight in the UK that could sell out Wembley is Joshua-Fury. Maybe some posters from the UK can better explain how rare Froch-Groves II was.
                    When I heard Sanchez mention that $10-$15 mil dollar figure in regards to a potential Froch fight the first thing that went through my mind was; WTF is he thinking? If that fight were to take place in the UK, Froch is the "A" side and I don't see Froch making that kind of money. So where is this $10-$15 mil dollars to pay Gennady "B-Side" Bumlovkin coming from? Sanchez just told on himself and Team Triple duck by bringing up this utterly ridiculous sum of money allegedly to pay the Triple Duck. I think we can all use this new information to extrapolate the real reason why Froch Bumlovkin didn't happen.

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