''Canelo, We Won't See It Until 2018'' - Abel Sanchez

[titan m]

The negotiations is right here, it's this simple.

"155 or no fight."

Iys black and white, the wbc ain't gonna do **** about it. They know who butters there bread.

So lil g has 15 days to accept those terms OR continue frolicking in oblivion.

Plain and simple. There's nothing else to say about, at all.

Canelo has already said multiple times that he will lot give any concessions to Lil G, or anyone else.

The WBC has been sued and lost before so they can only protect Canelo as long as GGG allows them to, I don't think they'd chance another lawsuit if GGG puts his foot down and says he wants the fight next. Canelo will have to fight or vacate the belt. Remember they thought Roy Jones buttered their bread too and it cost them 30 million, that's a lot of butter.

[about.thousands]

Idk what you are even talking about here.

I'm getting at the fact that Canelo is about to duck this fight and use negotiations as the excuse when negotiations can't begin until he answers the question "Do you want to fight GGG?" He'll kill the fight before negotiations ever take place but he'll use the excuse that negotiations killed the fight. People will be saying GGG woulnd't bow to the A-Side when the reality is they never even entered negotiations. Canelo turned down the fight flat out

[OnePunch]

I like how you didn't highlight the key part of what I was saying :gay:

The bottom line is GGG's side is in control of this fight happening or not. To be bolder prediction-wise, for OnePunch, I think GGG either can't get to 155 via healthy means or he gots some dumdums advising him & he won't agree to a weight lower than 157 (which I suspect is the highest Canelo will go) & we won't see Canelo vs GGG this year.

wrong wrong wrong. Its absurd to put the burden on GGGs side, when it is the Canelo side that is trying to change the rules. This isnt a voluntary defense where fairy-tale terms should be entertained. Its a mandatory defense. The only negotiating points should be money, venue, and date. Otherwise let it go to purse bid and Canelo can vacate or get stripped

One of the reasons crap like this keeps happening is that people like you support it with your "oh well X fighter sells more tickets so therefore....." nonsense.......

[Eff Pandas]

I'm getting at the fact that Canelo is about to duck this fight and use negotiations as the excuse when negotiations can't begin until he answers the question "Do you want to fight GGG?" He'll kill the fight before negotiations ever take place but he'll use the excuse that negotiations killed the fight. People will be saying GGG woulnd't bow to the A-Side when the reality is they never even entered negotiations. Canelo turned down the fight flat out

Idk what you are talking about lol. I feel like you are talking about this in a way to go with some weird WBC contract angle, but the reality is A side boxing politics makes that contract meaningless in the grand scheme of boxing.

In the real world doe Canelo had to fight Floyd at 152 or he doesn't get that fight. Floyd had to fight Oscar at 154 or he doesn't get that fight. Manny made a couple guys (Cotto & Margarito at least iirc) fight him at various catchweights or they wouldn't have gotten those fights probably. Donny Lalonde put up his 175lb title at 168 to fight Ray Leonard. There are numerous examples of A side politics allowing a guy to get a big fight.

GGG is gonna be an example of a guy who didn't get to fight a A side fighter to improve his own position if he doesn't conform is all thats going on here. And maybe Canelo will lose a corrupt alphabet group title if the fight doesn't happen.

Okay sure GGG can become the Rosa Parks of A side politics if he wants to I guess. But the reality is his bank account & in the ring legacy won't find that very impactful.

[Eff Pandas]

wrong wrong wrong. Its absurd to put the burden on GGGs side, when it is the Canelo side that is trying to change the rules. This isnt a voluntary defense where fairy-tale terms should be entertained. Its a mandatory defense. The only negotiating points should be money, venue, and date. Otherwise let it go to purse bid and Canelo can vacate or get stripped

One of the reasons crap like this keeps happening is that people like you support it with your "oh well X fighter sells more tickets so therefore....." nonsense.......

Mandatory smandatory. A side boxing politics is for sure counterproductive to fairness in boxing & in a perfect boxing world shouldn't exist, but they do & they have existed. Canelo paid his dues to get where he's at. GGG will need to conform to them or he won't get this fight. I give f#ck all about corrupt alphabet belt groups & I suspect Canelo knows he can get a new belt in his next fight if the WBC were to strip him.

And this stuff is happening regardless if I acknowledge it at all. Its been going on. Its nothing new. Leonard made Lalonde come down to 168 to defend his 175 title back in the late 80's ffs. I'm sure there are many examples of this in the 90's too. There certainly are a lot of examples after the 90's. This just didn't happen out of the blue. The A side money guy has been using this edge for awhile.

[Kenny Blankenship]

Problem with Canelo ducking this fight is that there really isn't anyone out there for him to fight that'll make him a lot of money. With the sport being as fractured as it is right now, there are a lot of fights that are unavailable to Canelo due to promotional issues.

There aren't many guys out there with name recognition that will put asses in the seats and generate PPV buys.

Canelo-GGG is a big fight. There really aren't many alternatives right now that pay well for Canelo.

[OnePunch]

Mandatory smandatory. A side boxing politics is for sure counterproductive to fairness in boxing & in a perfect boxing world shouldn't exist, but they do & they have existed. Canelo paid his dues to get where he's at. GGG will need to conform to them or he won't get this fight. I give f#ck all about corrupt alphabet belt groups & I suspect Canelo knows he can get a new belt in his next fight if the WBC were to strip him.

And this stuff is happening regardless if I acknowledge it at all. Its been going on. Its nothing new. Leonard made Lalonde come down to 168 to defend his 175 title back in the late 80's ffs. I'm sure there are many examples of this in the 90's too. There certainly are a lot of examples after the 90's. This just didn't happen out of the blue. The A side money guy has been using this edge for awhile.

thats where you are wrong. This situation is indeed something new, because I cant recall another instance of a champion trying to impose a catchweight on a mandatory challenger. Its as nauseating as it gets....

[Eff Pandas]

thats where you are wrong. This situation is indeed something new, because I cant recall another instance of a champion trying to impose a catchweight on a mandatory challenger. Its as nauseating as it gets....

Its the next step in the trajectory boxing has been on. Its not THAT shocking that its going on. And I'm sure if I was a negotiation nerd I could come up with more examples of things going on in this vein in the past its just that when push came to shove the B side submitted so its forgetable now to most of us.

The juice is worth the squeeze in these situations so it stands to reason the B side would submit. Thats why I think its possible GGG has no choice & can't even make 155 in a healthy way.

[PRchamp]

GGG is going making millions off "step aside" $$$$$ wow this sport is seriously getting ridiculous. Canelo doesn't have opponents for him to make $$$$ so I guess we will get Lemiueux PPV in September 2016 and then a pointless Cotto rematch in May 2017 and it end with a Andy Lee PPV in September 2017 nice.

**** Canelo and anybody defending this chump is all what's wrong with the sports starting with the fans.

[OnePunch]

GGG is going making millions off "step aside" $$$$$ wow this sport is seriously getting ridiculous. Canelo doesn't have opponents for him to make $$$$ so I guess we will get Lemiueux PPV in September 2016 and then a pointless Cotto rematch in May 2017 and it end with a Andy Lee PPV in September 2017 nice.

**** Canelo and anybody defending this chump is all what's wrong with the sports starting with the fans.

Lemieux making 155? Sure, I believe that lol