Hauser makes himself look ******...

[Mitchell Kane]

But we've already seen networks pull out of this model (Main Events/NBCSports; Golden Boy/Fox/FS1/Deportes).

Some of these networks temporarily stopped the model because the PBC paid them to do.

ESPN ended Friday Night Fights because of the PBC.
FS1 ended their Golden Boy fight cards when they agreed to show PBC cards.

The PBC time buy offers are set up to make them a great deal for the networks.

That changes once the PBC starts asking for money from the networks.

And one effect that the PBC has had is that it's depressed the market.

Top Rank is doing fight cards on smaller budgets....they have fight cards with Felix Verdejo on UniMas and Jesse Hart with no national tv that may have been FNF-level cards in years prior.

Golden Boy is doing fight cards that were once on FS1 that are now on Estrella TV.

They aren't in a position to ask for the same amount they were...they may price themselves at a much lower rate than the PBC...which, for some sports networks who are cutting back costs, might be more attractive than the PBC's asking price.

The networks have the money and dates that promoters need, they can use them against each other to lower the asking price, just as HBO has done with Top Rank.

So why would all get locked into long-term deals with one promoter and give away their power to continue to negotiate better prices for themselves?

[PKing]

Since PBC can bring in $460k in ad rev per show... ESPN FNF paying $65k per event is over.

[Sweet Jones]

Some of these networks temporarily stopped the model because the PBC paid them to do.

ESPN ended Friday Night Fights because of the PBC.
FS1 ended their Golden Boy fight cards when they agreed to show PBC cards.

The PBC time buy offers are set up to make them a great deal for the networks.

That changes once the PBC starts asking for money from the networks.

And one effect that the PBC has had is that it's depressed the market.

Top Rank is doing fight cards with Felix Verdejo on UniMas and Jesse Hart with no national tv that may have been FNF-level cards in years prior.

Top Rank's cost to put on those kind of fights may have gone down because of the PBC, just like their asking price for HBO fights has gone down.

The networks have the money and dates that promoters need, they can use them against each other to lower the asking price, just as HBO has done with Top Rank.

So why would all get locked into long-term deals with one promoter and give away their power to continue to negotiate better prices for themselves?

But ESPN didn't have to end FNF. They CHOSE that arrangement. 2 hours of time on ESPN/EPSN2 is WAY more valuable than what PBC paid. PBC has PRODUCT. No other promoter is going to put a Mares/LSC level fight on Friday Night Fights.

Again, you keep arguing about 'competing promoters', but yet without having a Haymon level stable under a promotional contract, most of those promoters do not have enough of a roster to provide content to justify a TV deal. What makes you think these networks, who have already shown minimum interest in even broadcasting boxing are now going to be piecing together a boxing schedule by chasing fights across multiple promoters?

Love him or hate him, Haymon has the product. And that product is unhindered by network or promotional ties.

[bballchump11]

Couple of circle jerks going on here.

Whether or not you like Hauser or think he's a shill or legit, some good points have been brought up about PBC/Haymon that is certainly worth discussion. There are some serious problems with PBC and how it's being run and as boxing fans, we should want to see these issues fixed if we want it to work out long term. Nothing wrong with discussion.

So far, this echos my issue with PBC.

The scheduling of PBC’s fights has also been a problem. There’s no continuity. The date, time, and network for telecasts are often a mystery until late in the process. “Even boxing people don’t know when or where Al’s guys are fighting,” says promoter Gary Shaw.

[...]

But on PBC, each fight seems like a one-off. There’s no continuity from show to show and no natural progression toward fights of greater importance. Viewers are consigned to watching what seems like the endless first round of what could have been an exciting tournament.

Also thought Richard Shcaefer brought up a good point about Haymons no talking to the media stance isn't helping and that he should have someone he trusts talk to the media for him/PBC. I always thought Richard Schaefer would go straight to PBC and be that guy after his purgatory time ended with Golden Boy, but it doesn't seem like that's happening. PBC needs someone like that to take helm of the ship, at least publicly, and promote the hell out of it.

I've had some of the same problems with the PBC. I do wish they would handle this better. Schaefer needs to jump aboard prompto.

[PKing]

But ESPN didn't have to end FNF. They CHOSE that arrangement. 2 hours of time on ESPN/EPSN2 is WAY more valuable than what PBC paid. PBC has PRODUCT. No other promoter is going to put a Mares/LSC level fight on Friday Night Fights.

Again, you keep arguing about 'competing promoters', but yet without having a Haymon level stable under a promotional contract, most of those promoters do not have enough of a roster to provide content to justify a TV deal. What makes you think these networks, who have already shown minimum interest in even broadcasting boxing are now going to be piecing together a boxing schedule by chasing fights across multiple promoters?

Love him or hate him, Haymon has the product. And that product is unhindered by network or promotional ties.

Exactamundo!!!!

[Lester Tutor]

Couple of circle jerks going on here.

Whether or not you like Hauser or think he's a shill or legit, some good points have been brought up about PBC/Haymon that is certainly worth discussion. There are some serious problems with PBC and how it's being run and as boxing fans, we should want to see these issues fixed if we want it to work out long term. Nothing wrong with discussion.

So far, this echos my issue with PBC.

The scheduling of PBC’s fights has also been a problem. There’s no continuity. The date, time, and network for telecasts are often a mystery until late in the process. “Even boxing people don’t know when or where Al’s guys are fighting,” says promoter Gary Shaw.

[...]

But on PBC, each fight seems like a one-off. There’s no continuity from show to show and no natural progression toward fights of greater importance. Viewers are consigned to watching what seems like the endless first round of what could have been an exciting tournament.

Also thought Richard Shcaefer brought up a good point about Haymons no talking to the media stance isn't helping and that he should have someone he trusts talk to the media for him/PBC. I always thought Richard Schaefer would go straight to PBC and be that guy after his purgatory time ended with Golden Boy, but it doesn't seem like that's happening. PBC needs someone like that to take helm of the ship, at least publicly, and promote the hell out of it.

PBC doesn't need Schaefer. It's the other way around. Schaeffer is just impressed with what Haymon has done with PBC.

[BennyBlanco]

His series on Haymon really hasn't answered the questions that we have but he has not been unfair to the man. It seems as though he just can't get anyone from Haymon's team to speak to him (not surprising).

His series on the whole USADA thing last year was excellent work. It is pathetic that many posters on this board bashed him relentlessly for it...and for what? to protect mayweather? usada? Haymon? the nevada commission? Which one of these idiots here actually benefits from the aforementioned parties?

Boxing writers in general are lazy..and most of them are bad writers. Hauser is actually a quality writer. With a sport as corrupt as we all acknowledge boxing is, why aren't more writers doing investigative pieces? There are all types of matters that should be looked into. Who else is actually trying besides this man?

Investigative pieces? Corrupt? That's hilarious.

Hard to hold yourself up as a crusader for truth when you repeatedly target the same two people (Mayweather & Haymon) with half-truths and subjective criticism, while simultaneously neglecting to point out that you're on the payroll of the network that Mayweather jilted and blackballed Haymon and writing for the magazine whose owner is suing Haymon for $100 million.

[Mitchell Kane]

No other promoter is going to put a Mares/LSC level fight on Friday Night Fights.

That fight cost $2.5 million.

What indication is there that ESPN would be willing to pay those prices for individual boxing matches when they've been cutting costs and they just fired perhaps the biggest boxing advocate at ESPN (Brian Kweder)?

And if ESPN was willing to pay millions of dollars for individual boxing events...why would they want to give up control over what fights they get by giving the PBC a long-term deal instead of doing what most networks do, and pay for fights on a fight-by-fight basis?

[PKing]

That fight cost $2.5 million.

What indication is there that ESPN would be willing to pay those prices for individual boxing matches when they've been cutting costs and they just fired perhaps the biggest boxing advocate at ESPN (Brian Kweder)?

And if ESPN was willing to pay millions of dollars for individual boxing events...why would they want to give up control over what fights they get by giving the PBC a long-term deal instead of doing what most networks do, and pay for fights on a fight-by-fight basis?

ESPN wants a brand... not some no name promoter.

If PBC can get even $750k they are in great shape. That's literally a $1.5M swing in their favor if they are currently out of pocket $750k for time buy/production per event.

It's a 10 year plan nitwits. Hahaha

[Mitchell Kane]

What makes you think these networks, who have already shown minimum interest in even broadcasting boxing

So you think some of these networks are going to flip from "minimum interest in even broadcasting boxing" to giving out long-term deals worth tens of millions of dollars without talking to other promoters to, if nothing else, bring down the PBC's asking price?