Hauser makes himself look ******...

[Sweet Jones]

See, you see it as a bidding war between two networks for the rights of PBC.

What's keeping the networks from making the PBC bid against Top Rank, Golden Boy, Main Events, etc?

Why wouldn't they make the PBC bid against other promoters, and see who's willing to put fights on cheaper.

The PBC has already pushed most promoters promoters off of basic cable television...Top Rank or Golden Boy may not even ask for that much money from a network on a per fight card basis, so long as it pays them more than UniMas or Estrella TV, which isn't much.

Because those other promoters don't have the rosters, or at least enough known and marketable names, to sustain and justify a TV deal.

You can see this is HBO's current schedule right now.

[Mitchell Kane]

Because those other promoters don't have the rosters, or at least enough known and marketable names, to sustain and justify a TV deal.

You can see this is HBO's current schedule right now.

That depends on how many shows one network actually wants to televise in a year and at what price.

8-10 shows a year doesnt require a roster of 200 boxers.

[PKing]

That depends on how many shows one network actually wants to televise in a year and at what price.

8-10 shows a year doesnt require a roster of 200 boxers.

Haymon has the inside guys... Haymon is showing up front what the ad levels will be prior to negotiation.

Less risk for all these networks to stick with Haymon.

[Mitchell Kane]

You act like it's a level playing field lol. Haymon has inside guys at all the networks... no chance they ever talk to GBP/TR.

His "inside guy" at ESPN is out.

Brian Kweder, the former ESPN programming executive who was the network's point person for its deal with Premier Boxing Champions, has been hired by PBC as a consultant to serve as a liaison between the company and its various television partners as it looks to organize its schedule and solidify the matchups.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...ip-on-the-rise

Maybe he's able to work with ESPN and other networks from the outside, but he's no longer on the "inside".

Fox just recently had significant number of layoffs, some of which came at Fox Sports.

Is it known whether the person/people Haymon dealt with are still at the company?

Furthermore, given the cutbacks that sports channels like ESPN and Fox Sports have had in just the past year, are they really going to be out looking to spend tens of millions of dollars on boxing?

Or might they want to see what the rest of the market is pricing themselves at before signing on long-term with Haymon?

[Sweet Jones]

That depends on how many shows one network actually wants to televise in a year and at what price.

8-10 shows a year doesnt require a roster of 200 boxers.

But we've already seen networks pull out of this model (Main Events/NBCSports; Golden Boy/Fox/FS1/Deportes).

Haymon brings a world class stable that can provide multiple years of content. The other promoters can not.

And that's not even taking into consideration if PBC signed some sort of 'non-compete' clause over the life of their timebuys that prevents those networks from showing other boxing content.

[ИATAS]

Couple of circle jerks going on here.

Whether or not you like Hauser or think he's a shill or legit, some good points have been brought up about PBC/Haymon that is certainly worth discussion. There are some serious problems with PBC and how it's being run and as boxing fans, we should want to see these issues fixed if we want it to work out long term. Nothing wrong with discussion.

So far, this echos my issue with PBC.

The scheduling of PBC’s fights has also been a problem. There’s no continuity. The date, time, and network for telecasts are often a mystery until late in the process. “Even boxing people don’t know when or where Al’s guys are fighting,” says promoter Gary Shaw.

[...]

But on PBC, each fight seems like a one-off. There’s no continuity from show to show and no natural progression toward fights of greater importance. Viewers are consigned to watching what seems like the endless first round of what could have been an exciting tournament.

Also thought Richard Shcaefer brought up a good point about Haymons no talking to the media stance isn't helping and that he should have someone he trusts talk to the media for him/PBC. I always thought Richard Schaefer would go straight to PBC and be that guy after his purgatory time ended with Golden Boy, but it doesn't seem like that's happening. PBC needs someone like that to take helm of the ship, at least publicly, and promote the hell out of it.

[PKing]

His "inside guy" at ESPN is out.



http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...ip-on-the-rise

Maybe he's able to work with ESPN and other networks from the outside, but he's no longer on the "inside".

Fox just recently had significant number of layoffs, some of which came at Fox Sports.

Is it known whether the person/people Haymon dealt with are still at the company?

Furthermore, given the cutbacks that sports channels like ESPN and Fox Sports have had in just the past year, are they really going to be out looking to spend tens of millions of dollars on boxing?

Or might they want to see what the rest of the market is pricing themselves at before signing on long-term with Haymon?

Ahahahahaha! He's no longer "inside" because his ESPN guy who has known all the top ESPN execs for years is now acting as a liason between PBC & ESPN?

What planet do you live on?

Doesn't Haymon have an inside guy at NBC? The guy that used to work for HBO

[al-Xander]

Butthurt thread, as usual. When the truth hurts, shoot the messenger, instead of contesting the message. Haymon is not god doe.

[Mitchell Kane]

Because those other promoters don't have the rosters, or at least enough known and marketable names, to sustain and justify a TV deal.

You can see this is HBO's current schedule right now.

We know the ad revnue they got between March and September, and it doesn't seem like all that much when you consider the first PBC event cost nearly $5 million dollars, and fighters like Garcia and Thurman regularly command $1 million plus purses.

Television advertising tracking firm Kantar Media said Premier collected $12.5 million in total ad revenue from 27 fight telecasts from March through September, an average of $462,963 per show.

The ad money also appears to fall short for even lesser time-buy arrangements, like the five CBS Saturday afternoon boxing telecasts in 2015 that cost Premier around $300,000 per hour, according to industry officials.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-al-haymon-boxing-20160203-story.html

[PKing]

If by 2017 PBC can average $700k ad Rev per show, they will be in very solid shape.

It's all a work in progress.