Lomachenko-Walters OFF because Top Rank has no leverage

[Raonic]

I simply don't believe that Arum, at all of 85 years old, has it in him to ever be different, and my guess is that that is the sense that ST will take with them towards any Arum offer.

Because, let's keep to reality here; if Kovalev gets beat(no other marketable fighters under the Main Events umbrella), and Andre Ward walks(HBO's backing was whatever, and he's built his entire career on Showtime; a deal could be worked out similar to the Provodnikov/Banner Promotions deal), HBO would be seriously hurting for boxing contact.

If you seriously doubt Arum wouldn't say '**** you' to whatever handshake deal he had with Showtime (contracts cut both way) to head back to HBO (who have basically let him operate as he wished for the vast majority of the last 15 years), you're kidding yourself.

If you want to blame Showtime for not wanting to risk getting burned again, so be it.

So basically, it's always Arum's fault no matter what.

[original zero]

Why should SHO bail out Top Rank when Top Rank's demise benefits SHO?

SHO is firmly aligned with Al Haymon. The more non-Haymon promoters struggle, the more talent Haymon will acquire and the better chance SHO has of competing, beating and possibly defeating HBO.

[Rich2123]

Why should SHO bail out Top Rank when Top Rank's demise benefits SHO?

SHO is firmly aligned with Al Haymon. The more non-Haymon promoters struggle, the more talent Haymon will acquire and the better chance SHO has of competing, beating and possibly defeating HBO.

Showtime, more than anyone, should be rooting for the demise of the PBC. If it fails, all of Haymons fighters will be boxing on Showtime pretty much exclusively.

[PKing]

Showtime, more than anyone, should be rooting for the demise of the PBC. If it fails, all of Haymons fighters will be boxing on Showtime pretty much exclusively.

That's ******ed... CBS is definitely in play for PBC.

[original zero]

Showtime, more than anyone, should be rooting for the demise of the PBC. If it fails, all of Haymons fighters will be boxing on Showtime pretty much exclusively.

CBS/Spike/Showtime is the most likely destination for PBC. Doubt Showtime Sports is rooting for their parent company to spend less money on boxing instead of more . . .

[The Akbar One]

Loma is taking less money for this fight. Mabye if Walters focuses on what he's actually worth as opposed to caring about what other people are getting, it wouldn't be a problem. I get that he wants money, but if he's the one holding up the fight because he wants money he doesn't deserve (just because someone got overpaid last year or the year before), then I'm going to criticize him. That's the reason Rigo is a bum. Instead of taking what he's worth, he's more concerned about what everyone else is making.

You make no sense. Lomachenko was paid 750K to fight a bum last time out. For both guys to fight each other, they both deserve more than that 750K. I don't have an issue with Walters wanting more money. Out of the two, Walters is the more fan friendly fighter, and fighter who has actually done something. Lomachenko and his brilliant boxing against bums, had done nothing to earn a 750K pay day. Now that he got it, it makes Arum look like a **** face, for preferential treatment. And makes this bout hard to make with the current HBO brass, not caring much for Arum.

[Raonic]

You make no sense. Lomachenko was paid 750K to fight a bum last time out. For both guys to fight each other, they both deserve more than that 750K. I don't have an issue with Walters wanting more money. Out of the two, Walters is the more fan friendly fighter, and fighter who has actually done something. Lomachenko and his brilliant boxing against bums, had done nothing to earn a 750K pay day. Now that he got it, it makes Arum look like a **** face, for preferential treatment. And makes this bout hard to make with the current HBO brass, not caring much for Arum.

Relative to the previous payday. But that's not the real representative of what they should actually be getting paid.

I could pay Andre Berto $5 million to fight a bum. It doesn't make him worth $5 mil and doesn't mean he should be expecting to get paid more than $510 mil if I asked him to fight someone like Thurman or Garcia or whoever.

[HeroBando]

You make no sense. Lomachenko was paid 750K to fight a bum last time out. For both guys to fight each other, they both deserve more than that 750K. I don't have an issue with Walters wanting more money. Out of the two, Walters is the more fan friendly fighter, and fighter who has actually done something. Lomachenko and his brilliant boxing against bums, had done nothing to earn a 750K pay day. Now that he got it, it makes Arum look like a **** face, for preferential treatment. And makes this bout hard to make with the current HBO brass, not caring much for Arum.

A lot of guys deserve more, especially in the lower divisions, but good luck with that unless you bring a strong fanbase. Loma (or Walters) doesn't, however elite amateurs get more leeway, signing bonuses, better purses, that's boxing for you. But the real story here is Loma is willing to take a big paycut, more in line with what he brings, for this much more dangerous fight. That's very rare, and I bet scores lots of points with his promoter.

And again, both guys have a single top 10 win, and Russell Jr is a better FW than Donaire IMO. 50/50, Loma going up in weight, its quite fair. Should be a bigger pie, but nobody offering

[The Akbar One]

A lot of guys deserve more, especially in the lower divisions, but good luck with that unless you bring a strong fanbase. Loma (or Walters) doesn't, however elite amateurs get more leeway, signing bonuses, better purses, that's boxing for you. But the real story here is Loma is willing to take a big paycut, more in line with what he brings, for this much more dangerous fight. That's very rare, and I bet scores lots of points with his promoter.

And again, both guys have a single top 10 win, and Russell Jr is a better FW than Donaire IMO. 50/50, Loma going up in weight, its quite fair. Should be a bigger pie, but nobody offering

My issue is the fact that Arum has so far paid Walters a career high purse in the 300,000s, while paying Loma 750k to beat nobodies. Walters needs to simply leave Top Rank. He'd get more money than that from PBC. People can hate on Haymon all they want. He'd match Loma and Walters, and pay them both a nice purse.

[Scipio2009]

So basically, it's always Arum's fault no matter what.

Arum doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me