Lomachenko-Walters OFF because Top Rank has no leverage

[MrRolltide91]

... because Walters, in his last fight on HBO, took home $750k (in what was earnestly a stay busy fight).

Walters-Lomachenko is arguably the biggest fight for Walters at the moment, yet he's supposed to take a third less money?

Good point. ...

[al-Xander]

Turned out that they're getting more than what the commission declares.

Excerpt from a recent Hauser article:

"For example; Keith Thurman’s purse as reported to the Florida State Athletic Commission in conjunction with his July 11, 2015, PBC fight against Luis Collazo was $1.5 million. But Thurman told Dan Rafael of ESPN.com that Haymon gave him a check for an additional $1.2 million."

No wonder boxing is f##kd.

Wow. Thurman got a total of $2.7 mil for fighting semi-retired Collazo. Maidana only got $1 mil in the Mayweather 1 fight.

No wonder meaningful fights are extremely hard to make. There's no money to make for investors.

[Mitchell Kane]

Rafeal with an update...also says Verdejo will likely fight Jose Felix Jr.:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/p...rawford-postol

“We’re still talking to Walters but it’s a Lomachenko date. We’ll find another opponent if Walters is not reasonable,” Arum said. “There’s a dialogue going back and forth but I can’t pay him what I don’t have. He’s off the million dollars but he has to come down. Look, I’m willing to do this for a slight loss but I’m not going to blow to my brains out.”

Arum said his aim is wrap it up one way or the other by the end of the week. He said he and Walters’ associates are on the same page when it comes to what that reasonable price is -- which he did not disclose -- but that the fighter had to get on board.

“We’ve offered him money that assures us that we’ll lose a couple of hundred thousand on the fight but I went this far. I am willing to lose that amount but not more,” Arum said.

Arum added that he has three potential backup opponents that HBO has approved for Lomachenko, but he declined to say who they are.

[Raonic]

Yup Lomachenko was definitely overpayed. Considering that Rigondeaux got the same purse to fight a star in Donaire. That being said, Arum already set precedent, so that is on him. Rigondeaux got 750K to fight Donaire. Lomachenko gets 750K to fight bums. Now you expect Walters to take less than a mil to fight Lomachenko? That is bull****. It is a good match up. I want to see it. Walters deserves to get paid though. Lomachenko got mugged by a fat old man. He then gets fed a steady diet of cream puffs, and gets paid top notch. Walters is then lined up to fight Lomachenko, who is no slouch, and you expect him to take the fight for less than a mil. That's Arum's fault. Don't over pay somebody for bums, and then try to pay less to fight a top level guy.

Loma is taking less money for this fight. Mabye if Walters focuses on what he's actually worth as opposed to caring about what other people are getting, it wouldn't be a problem. I get that he wants money, but if he's the one holding up the fight because he wants money he doesn't deserve (just because someone got overpaid last year or the year before), then I'm going to criticize him. That's the reason Rigo is a bum. Instead of taking what he's worth, he's more concerned about what everyone else is making.

[Raonic]

With Pacquiao on the way out, what "big fights" does Arum really have to offer, especially with Arum's relationships being toxic with basically everyone outside of the HBO orbit? I think Tim Bradley is a really good fighter, and beating Pacquiao would make him a player. Still, Arum having pissed everyone off limits what could be possible for Tim.

People don't simply "turn the other cheek" after all of the double dealings that Arum has done, especially a guy who's been as respected in the media as Les Moonves. Wanting to do good business now, simply because the fortunes are now turning on HBO, isn't going to work.

TR has a lot of good fighters available that would make it worthwhile if guys like Garcia, Khan, Proter, Thurman, Broner, etc are available. A lot of doors would open for both sides.

And while Arum is a crook, Haymon isn't exactly a saint either. While Arum has a lot of faults in prior years, I'm not going to criticize him if he decides to extend the olive branch and the other side wants to be bitter about it. That goes both ways too with Haymon and HBO.

[Raonic]

If you get 750 to fight a bum, you think they're gonna go down a couple thousand to fight one of the best (if not the best) in the division? So, of course they want more if they're fighting a bigger name.

Walters wasn't going down I think. Loma was willing to take the paycut but not sure about Walters. Even his team admits Arum offered a fair offer.

[HI-TECH Boxing]

I don't get why people are bringing up that Loma got 750K for his last fight, what the hell does that have to do with this fight?
How is that relevant to the Walters fight? So what, Loma got a good paycheck for his last fight, good for him and hopefully he keeps getting more good paychecks. Other fighters made more for less than spectacular opponents, so why is it a problem when Loma makes a good amount for his last fight?
It doesn't make any sense, because Lomachenko is not the one asking for more money to face Walters. Walters is the one that wants more money.
Walters asked for a later date and he got it.
The fight, if it were to happen, will be at 130 for Walters. Lomachenko will more than likely be stripped out of his WBO Featherweight belt as well.
Also, Lomachenko would be taking less money for Walters, so what exactly is the problem? Lomachenko is taking a paycut for Walters. Bringing up that he got 750K for his last fight makes no sense since he is showing that he's willing to take less money for a riskier fight. He's also putting more on the line. Loma will have to move up and the WBO will strip him. The Walters fight will not even be for a belt.
It's that simple, but people still don't get it

It's crazy to me. Lomachenko is willing to take risks and HBO still doesn't appreciate him. That's a different story though.

[!! Shawn]

HBO paid Golovkin 1.5 million to beat up bum Monroe but they want to pay 500k for a glamour fight like Walters vs Loma? It'd why HBO only appeals to racist losers.

You confuse HBO paid with Golvkin was paid. Unlike other fighters GGG sells out arena's and makes events profitable.

For some reason people think that live gate means nothing. It does when you are filling arenas at $200 a seat.

[Pigeons]

It's crazy to me. Lomachenko is willing to take risks and HBO still doesn't appreciate him. That's a different story though.

I think it's because he's boring. Look at how much money Mayweather made HBO. They still ridiculed him at every turn and let Merchant besmirch him the entire way.

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maybe half of the posters on this website like boxing and the other half are weird, creepy guys who are fans of "al haymon" or "top rank" and get all excited and happy when a fight is cancelled because it "proves them right"

honestly the strangest way to spend your time