Too Short concert or Ward-Barrera?

[Larry the boss]

every argument has to come to resume vs. resume?

What if we are talking about the jab? would it end up with Ward has better resume than golovkin? stick to the point. Ward's resume is slightly better and if he beats Kovalev it will be a lot better but this isn't resume vs. resume debate... there are 1000 threads about resume vs. resume debates already in the forum.

slightly better???wow man stop

[Irony123]

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haha perfect, the guy who changes the subject concedes yet again.

[Irony123]

slightly better???wow man stop

you want to debate this or what?

[Scipio2009]

HAHAAHAHAH! Scipipedia. You have pseudo answers for everything except that the FACT is Crawford got more butts in seats, has a bigger following and now is going to be the player of African American fighters without doing anything but be exciting and not retire for 3 years.

You can google anything you want but it changes nothing and like I said, did I say anything untrue? Nope.

As for the petty Russia thing, I said Kazakhstan but I guess you didn't google that.

Ringside tickets for under $150 simply puts things in context (no different than Canelo putting 40k people into the building with $20 tickets); ignore that if you want.

Crawford sold out his hometown twice, yet Top Rank only felt confident enough to put him in the small room at MSG

[Scipio2009]

Potentially this is one of the saddest posts I've ever seen in my 40+ years dealing with this game. You are so desperate to make Ward relevant that you went to the amount of homes that HBO has. You truly need to get laid. 18 million homes without 13k in Oakland mean 1x on google still makes you LOL!

In three simple paragraphs, I showed that you're entire statement was largely utter ****. try to spin it if you want

[Scipio2009]

Bute was with HBO when the Super6 started on SHOWTIME
Once he finished his HBO contract, he signed with Showtime and was going to be added to the tournament as a replacement, but Dan Goossen threatened to pull Andre Ward out of the Super6.
You're already on the internet. You could look this up instead of talking horse ****.
Ward was supposed to fight Bute after the S6...like he said he would if he won.
In the post fight interview, he talked his way out of that fight so Bute went to the UK to fight Froch.
What happened in the Froch fight had not happened yet at the time Ward was supposed to fight Bute, dummy.
Why do you ****ers always have so much trouble understand things like date and time?
Bute was #2 at SMW, undefeated, IBF champ, offered a career high pay day, offered to go to Oakland and had better performances than Ward vs common opponents(Miranda,Bika)
Ward DID. NOT. WANT IT. lol

Lucian Bute fought Librado Andrade, October 2008, on Showtime. Lucian Bute fought Fulgencio Zuniga, March 2009, on Showtime; prior to those two fights, outside of a fight against Sakio Bika that ESPN2 picked up, Bute hadn't had another fight broadcast in the US.

The first fights of the Super Six tournament, on Showtime, were held October 2009, a full six weeks before Bute's first fight on HBO; have no doubt that the discussions for the participants were finalized before that.

Less than 5 minutes is what it took to wreck that noise; don't be a ****ing fool.

[Scipio2009]

The Lemiux fight likely didn't lose money but not being the book keeper for the fight my understanding that it did this

Purse costs - $4,000,000
Live gate profits - $2,000,000
PPV sells in the US alone 150k or 97k depends on who you beileve (lets take worst case scenario and say 97k) - 97kX$20 (after cable providers took their cut) = 1.94 million
Canadian PPV sells - don't now
sponsorship - don't know
international TV licensing profits - dont know
merchandise sells - dont know

So based on what we know, the worst it could have done is broken even. likely this event however had profits exceeding 1-2 million.

a couple points:

-the live gate was only ever disclosed as being $2m
-there's no mention of the costs related to actually putting on the event (renting out MSG, commercials/marketing pieces, nuts-and-bolts promoter stuff, etc)

A lot of the information is unknown, but I have no doubt that the actual cost of putting on the event likely went over $1m, and there's no way that Golovkin-Lemieux did $3m in raw ticket sales at the gate (if K2 was willing to lose their **** over Golovkin selling $150k in merch for a fight, you would be wise to expect a similar reaction if Golovkin was able to rival the business that Miguel Cotto does at the gate for a fight).

Even the few numbers that folks cant take a guess at aren't really adding up to a breakeven (unless the Canadian PPV ended up doing massive business)

[Finito2K]

Holy ****! 24 hours later and Scipio has still got the feels for Ward!

Let it go.

[killakali]

i think this guy is coutning free tickets that they give away as tickets sold while at the same time bashing ggg for low ticket prices. its almost too silly to believe yet here we are

agreed its crazy

[killakali]

I sincerely doubt that Roc Nation gave away half of the tix to the Paul Smith fight, though I have no way to prove/disprove that; from a person who bought a ticket and was in the building for the fight, it sure didn't feel like much of a paper crowd (the reaction for Ward, including the moments when he opened up and finally closed out the show, made it seem like folks were rallying behind someone they put money up for).

The pricing for Golovkin-Wade is similar to the pricing for Ward-Barrera and Ward-Smith; what the pricing for the last fight at The Forum I'm not sure, but Golovkin's ticket prices have been generally lower (Oracle Arena being limited to only the lower bowl sets the configuration at 12k-13k to sell out).

Just making the point that, as draws, Golovkin isn't all that much bigger a draw than Ward is in his home market, and Golovkin has had the machine behind him for a bit now.

Golovkin is fighting in a foreign market and is bigger than a guy in his backyard. It was a papered crowd but with local fans. Not a papered crowd in ac or vegas where people just happen to be in town. theres a difference. GGG Wade will have at least 5,000 more people in attendance than ward barrera and ward barrera will have several thousand more give aways