HBO only offering $1 Million for Walters-Lomanchenko?

[Mitchell Kane]

but in boxing, nobody ever bothered to care about the long term health of the sport until al came along.

So who do you blame for not having "the long term health of the sport" in mind when Mayweather-Berto was put on PPV and not CBS?

it's not about maximizing the revenue of one single event. it's about growing the annual pie for decades to come.

Tell that to Amir Khan after he collects his paycheck for fighting Canelo.

[original zero]

You're naive doe. Everyone is hurting. Boxing is slowing down. Look at Khan and Wade. These are Haymon fighters. Which network is covering their next fights? Exactly. HBO. Who would have thought Haymon would let his fighters fight on a rival network?

More people are watching boxing in the US now than had been watching in many many years, if not decades. So no, boxing is not "slowing down." Boxing is heating up. Out of nowhere, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE are watching fights on TV in the United States. Millions of people that were not watching fights before.

That is an incredible development that for some reason you are choosing to ignore.

Another network telecast that will surely generate MILLIONS OF VIEWERS was announced just today. Pay attention.

Haymon is in the leverage business. He was able to use his leverage to get Khan and Wade big paydays far beyond what they're actually worth. Because the HBO island is desperate and shrinking.

And if EITHER of his fighters are successful, it's a HUGE damaging blow to HBO.

It's a calculated risk. Possibly sacrificing guys that weren't doing anything for you anyway, getting big money in the process and if either of them happen to win, HBO is ****ed.

[Mitchell Kane]

Haymon is in the leverage business. He was able to use his leverage to get Khan and Wade big paydays far beyond what they're actually worth. Because the HBO island is desperate and shrinking.

But you just said it was about doing the opposite...

it's not about maximizing the revenue of one single event. it's about growing the annual pie for decades to come.

[original zero]

So who do you blame for not having "the long term health of the sport" in mind when Mayweather-Berto was put on PPV and not CBS?

Fighters are never going to have the long term health of the sport in mind because they're not going to be fighting forever and couldn't care less what happens after they're gone (nor should they).

Made no sense for Mayweather to leave millions on the table when he was out the door after that fight anyway.

If Haymon successfully overhauls the model, the days of fighters making eight figures will be over. But only a handful of fighters ever reach that level. For most fighters, who will never be one of those chosen few, they're far better off with the sport going mainstream again so fighting on a network or basic cable pays way more than what guys were making before on ESPN2 even if it means the days of 2-3 guys making big money on PPV are over.

[original zero]

This argument about the definition of a year has been fun. Thank you for this stimulating debate.

you brought this on yourself with one of the dumbest posts in boxingscene history. cong****.

ME: top fighters aren't fighting four times a year anyway.

YOU: oh yeah? well deontay wilder's first 2016 fight was technically one day earlier than his first 2015 fight was so i'm going to pretend that top fighters are fighting four times a year.



thanks for the brilliant insight . . .

[Pigeons]

you brought this on yourself with one of the dumbest posts in boxingscene history. cong****.

ME: top fighters aren't fighting four times a year anyway.

YOU: oh yeah? well deontay wilder's first 2016 fight was technically one day earlier than his first 2015 fight was so i'm going to pretend that top fighters are fighting four times a year.



thanks for the brilliant insight . . .

This is who I envision myself arguing with.

[Mitchell Kane]

Made no sense for Mayweather to leave millions on the table when he was out the door after that fight anyway.

If Haymon successfully overhauls the model, the days of fighters making eight figures will be over. But only a handful of fighters ever reach that level. For most fighters, who will never be one of those chosen few, they're far better off with the sport going mainstream again so fighting on a network or basic cable pays way more than what guys were making before on ESPN2 even if it means the days of 2-3 guys making big money on PPV are over.

So you're saying the earning potential for the handful of fighters, "the chosen few", would be lower under a Haymon network system?

[original zero]

Mitchell -

Next time you claim someone said the opposite, go look up the word opposite so you don't look so foolish.

It's very clear Haymon's focus is on growing the annual pie by landing a traditional TV deal that would pay more than what his cut of HBO's shrinking budget was.

That doesn't mean it isn't important to get his fighters big paydays. His plan can't work if all of his fighters leave him. But getting Khan & Wade big paydays and taking a chance on knocking off Canelo or GGG is not the "opposite" valuing long term power over short term gain.

If Haymon was focused on maximizing revenue for one single event, Khan would be going in with Brook.

But by going in with Canelo first, the Brook fight will still be there and while it may be less valuable coming off a loss, it'll still result in two big paydays for Khan.

There is little damage to Al's long term plan if Khan loses. If Khan wins, HBO is dealt a MAJOR blow.

There is no damage to Al's long term plan if Wade loses. If Wade wins, HBO is dealt a major blow.

It's a calculated risk still focused on the long term health of his stable and his ability to monopolize big time boxing in the United States.

[original zero]

So you're saying the earning potential for the handful of fighters, "the chosen few", would be lower under a Haymon network system?

Of course. Nobody is going to be making eight figures for one fight anymore if premier boxing in the United States is a network and cable sport instead of a premium cable and PPV sport.

But a lot more boxers will be making a lot more money because under the old system a few guys made a ton of money and everybody else made peanuts.

[OnePunch]

More people are watching boxing in the US now than had been watching in many many years, if not decades. So no, boxing is not "slowing down." Boxing is heating up. Out of nowhere, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE are watching fights on TV in the United States. Millions of people that were not watching fights before.

That is an incredible development that for some reason you are choosing to ignore.

Another network telecast that will surely generate MILLIONS OF VIEWERS was announced just today. Pay attention.

Haymon is in the leverage business. He was able to use his leverage to get Khan and Wade big paydays far beyond what they're actually worth. Because the HBO island is desperate and shrinking.

And if EITHER of his fighters are successful, it's a HUGE damaging blow to HBO.

It's a calculated risk. Possibly sacrificing guys that weren't doing anything for you anyway, getting big money in the process and if either of them happen to win, HBO is ****ed.

how much is Wade getting for the GGG fight, and what exactly did Haymon have to do with Tureano Johnson getting hurt?