HBO only offering $1 Million for Walters-Lomanchenko?

[original zero]

OnePunch,

As I'm sure you're aware, Wade's purse is not public information at this point.

Do you have any doubt that his purse will be far beyond what his market value had been previously?

GGG had to fight Wade or vacate. Had the fight gone to purse bid, Haymon could have bid anything he wanted as there's no way HBO would have let GGG fight on Showtime. So GGG would have lost his belt.

The fact that the fight did not go to purse bid and is taking place on HBO indicates to me that K2 paid more for Wade that he'd previously been worth because of the leverage Haymon had.

Do you disagree?

Obviously Haymon had nothing to do with Johnson getting hurt, but as we all know, luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Haymon had Wade in position in the rankings and had Johnson not gotten hurt, it would have just been the same situation next year instead.

Did anybody say Haymon had anything to do with Johnson getting hurt or are you so anti-Haymon that you have to make every post as negative as possible?

What is it exactly about Haymon that bothers you? Did he poach one of your fighters? You seem to have such an ax to grind for seemingly no reason and it seems to bother you that I think fight fans will benefit if Haymon takes over the majority of big time boxing in the US.

[OnePunch]

OnePunch,

As I'm sure you're aware, Wade's purse is not public information at this point.

Do you have any doubt that his purse will be far beyond what his market value had been previously?

GGG had to fight Wade or vacate. Had the fight gone to purse bid, Haymon could have bid anything he wanted as there's no way HBO would have let GGG fight on Showtime. So GGG would have lost his belt.

The fact that the fight did not go to purse bid and is taking place on HBO indicates to me that K2 paid more for Wade that he'd previously been worth because of the leverage Haymon had.

Do you disagree?

Obviously Haymon had nothing to do with Johnson getting hurt, but as we all know, luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Haymon had Wade in position in the rankings and had Johnson not gotten hurt, it would have just been the same situation next year instead.

Did anybody say Haymon had anything to do with Johnson getting hurt or are you so anti-Haymon that you have to make every post as negative as possible?

What is it exactly about Haymon that bothers you? Did he poach one of your fighters? You seem to have such an ax to grind for seemingly no reason and it seems to bother you that I think fight fans will benefit if Haymon takes over the majority of big time boxing in the US.

so you admit you havent the slightest idea what Wade's purse is, yet you assert that Haymons incredible and unprecedented leverage got Wade a purse "far in excess of what he is worth"? Interesting.

As for what it is about Haymon that bothers me, I have made that clear on many occasions. In case your short-term memory has failed you, I believe he operates in violation of the Ali Act, and I also do not believe that a monopoly is in the best interests of the sport. I also see the overall negative effect his consistent overpaying (with other peoples money of course) is having on the sport.

As for Haymons ability to "bid whatever he wants to" at a purse bid, the Wilder bid would lead one to think that those big-spending days are over. Unless of course it was his plan all along for Wilder to defend his title in Russia lol

[Pigeons]

so you admit you havent the slightest idea what Wade's purse is, yet you assert that Haymons incredible and unprecedented leverage got Wade a purse "far in excess of what he is worth"? Interesting.

As for what it is about Haymon that bothers me, I have made that clear on many occasions. In case your short-term memory has failed you, I believe he operates in violation of the Ali Act, and I also do not believe that a monopoly is in the best interests of the sport. I also see the overall negative effect his consistent overpaying (with other peoples money of course) is having on the sport.

As for Haymons ability to "bid whatever he wants to" at a purse bid, the Wilder bid would lead one to think that those big-spending days are over. Unless of course it was his plan all along for Wilder to defend his title in Russia lol

Oh, Terry. You are such a bum. In one sentence you frown upon what Haymon's spending tactics are doing to sport (or really what it's doing to HBO, nice try) and in the next sentence you laugh at Haymon for NOT overpaying for Wilder-Povetkin. Wilder is going from a $1.5M career high payday to over $5M to fight a guy that no one in America knows or cares about.

So which is it Ratface? LOL @ overpaying or LOL @ not overpaying.

You ****ing hypocrite!

[original zero]

OnePunch,

Why did you deliberately avoid answering whether you have any doubt that Wade's purse will be far beyond what his market value had been previously? I always find it strange when people argue against things they actually believe. Are you here for honest conversation or are you just here to ***** about Haymon?

The Ali act was designed to protect fighters, not promoters. So you're upset that fighters are being paid too much money and believe Haymon is violating the Ali act by restricting how much money promoters can make so that his fighters can make more money?

Look, as a former promoter, I could understand why you'd side with promoters over fighters, but I find it hilarious that you're complaining that he's getting his fighters too much money while also complaining that he's violating the act designed to stop promoters from ripping off fighters.

And with OTHER PROMOTERS suing Haymon, not *fighters*, I find the cries of "ALI ACT!!!" to be laughable. Truly laughable. You've got no skin in the game anymore, so why the hell would it bother you that his fighters are being "overpaid?"

As for the purse bid, I made it very clear that I believed he'd be able to bid whatever he wanted because GGG would not be able to fight on Showtime and would be forced to vacate. Which means Haymon wouldn't have to honor the bid.

Considering you ignored all of my questions and then provided a purse bid example that didn't make any sense, I have to seriously question if you're even reading my posts or just looking for reasons to complain about Haymon.

You were one of my favorite posters here for many many years, but your strange disdain for Haymon has seriously clouded your ability to honestly discuss anything involving him.

[OnePunch]

OnePunch,

Why did you deliberately avoid answering whether you have any doubt that Wade's purse will be far beyond what his market value had been previously? I always find it strange when people argue against things they actually believe. Are you here for honest conversation or are you just here to ***** about Haymon?

The Ali act was designed to protect fighters, not promoters. So you're upset that fighters are being paid too much money and believe Haymon is violating the Ali act by restricting how much money promoters can make so that his fighters can make more money?

Look, as a former promoter, I could understand why you'd side with promoters over fighters, but I find it hilarious that you're complaining that he's getting his fighters too much money while also complaining that he's violating the act designed to stop promoters from ripping off fighters.

And with OTHER PROMOTERS suing Haymon, not *fighters*, I find the cries of "ALI ACT!!!" to be laughable. Truly laughable. You've got no skin in the game anymore, so why the hell would it bother you that his fighters are being "overpaid?"

As for the purse bid, I made it very clear that I believed he'd be able to bid whatever he wanted because GGG would not be able to fight on Showtime and would be forced to vacate. Which means Haymon wouldn't have to honor the bid.

Considering you ignored all of my questions and then provided a purse bid example that didn't make any sense, I have to seriously question if you're even reading my posts or just looking for reasons to complain about Haymon.

You were one of my favorite posters here for many many years, but your strange disdain for Haymon has seriously clouded your ability to honestly discuss anything involving him.

are you here for any other purpose than to lick Haymons sack? We get it. You think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and you hope he takes over the sport. Its a free country, and you are allowed to have that opinion. I happen to disagree. Im not sure why thats so hard for you to comprehend, that you have to try and find some ulterior motive behind my position, as if Im not allowed to disagree unless YOU think my position is valid enough on its face? Im retired from boxing, so other than what I ultimately see on my tv, what Haymon does, or doesnt do, wont really affect my life much. I believe his business model is BAD for boxing. You dont. I accept that you believe that, and I dont have to resort to making silly accusations about your motives (maybe you are attracted to Haymon? maybe you are rattling a tin cup and think that shining his sack might get you on the payroll?). No, I dont think that is necessary. I dont really care WHY you worship him so much, and for the life of me I cant understand why you are so interested in why I dont.


As for what Wade's purse is, I havent the slightest idea, and dont really care. You will find a way to spin it in Al's favor either way. If its high, you will say "look at the leverage papa Al has!!!!", and if its low you will say "look papa Al is making an effort to work with other promoters!!!!". So what difference does it make.

One thing is for sure. Based on the current schedule, and Al kicking most of his high-profile fights to Showtime, NOW would be a good time for all those networks to start that 9-figure bidding war you swear is coming.......

[Mitchell Kane]

Mitchell -

Next time you claim someone said the opposite, go look up the word opposite so you don't look so foolish.

In one sentence, you say Haymon used his leverage to get his fighters big paydays....in other words, using his leverage to maxmize the payout for individual fights.

In another sentence, you say Haymon's not trying to maximize revenue of one single event, he's trying to grow the annual pie.

Because Haymon understands that PPV is bad for the sport because "PPV over the long haul runs off most of your audience and makes it difficult to create new fans."

So which is it:

Haymon's good for maximizing Khan's payday against Canelo or he's bad because his figher is on PPV?

[Mitchell Kane]

Of course. Nobody is going to be making eight figures for one fight anymore if premier boxing in the United States is a network and cable sport instead of a premium cable and PPV sport.

So you're saying Khan can't make the same kind of money he'll make on this PPV fighting on network television?

[original zero]

OnePunch -

I believe fans will benefit if there is one umbrella controlling the majority of big time boxing in the United States. I believe Al Haymon has a better chance of making that happen than anybody else. Nobody is telling you that you can't disagree. What I'm telling you is that I've been reading your posts for nearly a decade and whether you realize it or not, your attitude has become incredibly bitter and biased.

You're not even able to discuss the topic without resorting to childish insults. You're a grown man. We should be able to have an intelligent discussion, but when a thread has anything to do with Al Haymon, you turn into a completely different person.

In your most recent post you wrote, "I accept that you believe that, and I dont have to resort to making silly accusations about your motives," yet earlier in THIS VERY THREAD you wrote:

"your "pro anything Haymon" agenda almost makes me think you are trying to get a gig as his publicist or something."

You've gone from one of the most honest and credible posters here and allowed yourself to turn into someone who will now post blatant lies like that. Wouldn't it be far more productive if you dropped the emo bull**** and just had a civil discussion? We're two of the very few active posters here with legitimate experience in the industry. Don't you think we should be above telling people to lick nutsacks?

I believe Al will get a network to offer him more than he would have gotten staying with HBO. I'm confident his pie will grow. If it's $50 million a year instead of $100 million a year, it's still a huge upgrade over what his slice of HBO's budget would be these days.

If you disagree, great. Let's talk about it like respectable gentlemen. You gave me attitude in this thread first, not vice versa.

And worse, you jumped on me for saying Wade will get paid and yet now you refuse to say you disagree. Use your head man. Al had K2 over a barrel. Of course K2 had to take good care of Wade to avoid vacating.

[original zero]

Mitchell -

Haymon is trying to change the business model from maximizing revenue from a single fight to growing the annual pie.

You can't just flip a switch and change the model over night. You also can't deny Khan a massive payday in the dying days of the old model while you try to build a new model.

Doesn't benefit Khan at all if Al kills PPV five years from now, but in doing so largely increases the average pay of non-PPV fighters. It's obviously going to be a gradual process.

But if Haymon was looking to maximize Khan for one event, he'd be fighting Kell Brook, not Canelo. He didn't do that. Why? Because Al always takes the long view and Brook will still be there if Khan loses.

[OnePunch]

OnePunch -

I believe fans will benefit if there is one umbrella controlling the majority of big time boxing in the United States. I believe Al Haymon has a better chance of making that happen than anybody else. Nobody is telling you that you can't disagree. What I'm telling you is that I've been reading your posts for nearly a decade and whether you realize it or not, your attitude has become incredibly bitter and biased.

You're not even able to discuss the topic without resorting to childish insults. You're a grown man. We should be able to have an intelligent discussion, but when a thread has anything to do with Al Haymon, you turn into a completely different person.

In your most recent post you wrote, "I accept that you believe that, and I dont have to resort to making silly accusations about your motives," yet earlier in THIS VERY THREAD you wrote:

"your "pro anything Haymon" agenda almost makes me think you are trying to get a gig as his publicist or something."

You've gone from one of the most honest and credible posters here and allowed yourself to turn into someone who will now post blatant lies like that. Wouldn't it be far more productive if you dropped the emo bull**** and just had a civil discussion? We're two of the very few active posters here with legitimate experience in the industry. Don't you think we should be above telling people to lick nutsacks?

I believe Al will get a network to offer him more than he would have gotten staying with HBO. I'm confident his pie will grow. If it's $50 million a year instead of $100 million a year, it's still a huge upgrade over what his slice of HBO's budget would be these days.

If you disagree, great. Let's talk about it like respectable gentlemen. You gave me attitude in this thread first, not vice versa.

And worse, you jumped on me for saying Wade will get paid and yet now you refuse to say you disagree. Use your head man. Al had K2 over a barrel. Of course K2 had to take good care of Wade to avoid vacating.

Dude let it go. You come in with your "oh did haymon poach your fighters and thats why you're butthurt?" nonsense, and then cry like a teenage girl when you get a little thrown back at you. "oohhhh, now that my insults are out of the way, cant we discuss this like grown ups?" lol whatever

This is a pointless conversation. Neither one of us are likely to change our opinion, and it will likely be at least a year before we know for sure who had the correct analysis, for the $.05 that that's worth. And if PBC goes belly up, you'll be back with a new alt and a bad case of amnesia.

Think what you like. Monopolies are bad for everyone (except the person running it), and boxing is no different. You are stuck in this fantasy that somehow after 3 decades of not giving a **** about boxing, and 2 years of getting free content, that the broadcast networks are going to suddenly decide that mediocre ratings are worth dropping 9 figures a year on. Its absurd.