Did Mayweather Harm or Help the sport of boxing

[Irony123]

That was Bob arum, place blame where it lies.

When i say further the sport i mean literally the sport will be more thriving because of them and that could mean but isn't limited to 1) inspiring others to enter the sport 2) generate great memories for fans of the sport 3) inspire fighters 4) increase popularity of the sport (at the current time and for the future) 5) leading by example inside and outside the ring 6) furthering sportsmanship and warrior mentality (to me this is important, might not be to everyone) etc.

1. how do you know floyd hasn't done this? think for a second. your argument is Floyd has made it popular to get paid for doing nothing. Now you are suggesting this IA KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF BOXING. seriously?

2. Seriously, great memories. A memory is not something everyone shares dude. You think people do not remeber Hatton, gatti, corrales? Does every fighter have to have an ali level memory FFS.

3. you say floyd is doing this, then you say he isn't. which is it?

4. I think its abudantly clear he has done that.

5. Leading by example- WTF?

6. WTF does this even mean? It's like you tried to create something specifically to hold it against Floyd. was sweet pea bad for the sport because he was defensive? was duran bad for the sport because he showed poor sportsmanship and quit? was ali bad for the sport the way he degraded his opponents.

Seriously WTF is wrong with you?

Here's one-you don't write about any of the guys you listed other than Floyd. Why is that?

My example wasn't all encompassing and it wasn't all or nothing. We come to the forums to debate not insult each other so no need to insult me.

1) This is my opinion
2) i've explained to you why i used floyd, he is the superstar of this generation. Yet Ward vs. Gatti created a much fonder memory then Floyd vs. Paquio (yes more people will remember this fight for all the wrong reasons)
3) yes he inspires fighters to be as rich as possible I guess that counts.
4) maybe
5) yes leading by example - not everyone does it but being a half decent human being isn't a bad thing, it sheds good light on the sport, is that something you disagree with or just confused because so few boxers do it?
6) WTF? no it isn't Wlad was my favorite fighter until steward. considering i am a fan of the sport, i love watching and admire aggression. KOs put asses seats... this isn't something i just invented for Floyd. Wlad also did alot of the things on the list but his boring ass style hurt the sport, it made for very sleep TV... had he been the top name in the sport i would be making this thread about him.

Anyways you seem to get confused when we talk, its as if you read something and go on the offensive, you forget what the original conversation was about, you omit valid points and bend the conversation in away that suits your needs so you can blast me or something, anyways you obviously seem to be agitated, lets just end the debate and agree to disagree. no need to respond.

[The Big Dunn]

Funny enough I have yet to meet someone that said they was going to cop a Floyd fight to see him lose.

Haters tend to be petty people. These cheapskates aren't going to fork over money that lines the pockets of someone they dislike

IN reality they rather spite FLoyd by not buying his fights at the expense of seeing opponents punish him

Yeah, that doesn't seem believable. Now, there are points where things like this have happened-cleveland fans buying lerbron jerseys to burn when he left. That was like a couple days, thats not why lebron jerseys sold the month after that FFS.

[The Big Dunn]

My example wasn't all encompassing and it wasn't all or nothing. We come to the forums to debate not insult each other so no need to insult me.

1) This is my opinion
2) i've explained to you why i used floyd, he is the superstar of this generation. Yet Ward vs. Gatti created a much fonder memory then Floyd vs. Paquio (yes more people will remember this fight for all the wrong reasons)
3) yes he inspires fighters to be as rich as possible I guess that counts.
4) maybe
5) yes leading by example - not everyone does it but being a half decent human being isn't a bad thing, it sheds good light on the sport, is that something you disagree with or just confused because so few boxers do it?
6) WTF? no it isn't Wlad was my favorite fighter until steward. considering i am a fan of the sport, i love watching and admire aggression. KOs put asses seats... this isn't something i just invented for Floyd. Wlad also did alot of the things on the list but his boring ass style hurt the sport, it made for very sleep TV... had he been the top name in the sport i would be making this thread about him.

Anyways you seem to get confused when we talk, its as if you read something and go on the offensive, you forget what the original conversation was about, you omit valid points and bend the conversation in away that suits your needs so you can blast me or something, anyways you obviously seem to be agitated, lets just end the debate and agree to disagree. no need to respond.

dude, you cited Tyson and Ali as examples of sportsmanship. ALI AND TYSON!!!!!!!!

[Irony123]

dude, you cited Tyson and Ali as examples of sportsmanship. ALI AND TYSON!!!!!!!!

please quote when i cited that?

come on go ahead, bend my words.

[therealpugilist]

My example wasn't all encompassing and it wasn't all or nothing. We come to the forums to debate not insult each other so no need to insult me.

1) This is my opinion
2) i've explained to you why i used floyd, he is the superstar of this generation. Yet Ward vs. Gatti created a much fonder memory then Floyd vs. Paquio (yes more people will remember this fight for all the wrong reasons)
3) yes he inspires fighters to be as rich as possible I guess that counts.
4) maybe
5) yes leading by example - not everyone does it but being a half decent human being isn't a bad thing, it sheds good light on the sport, is that something you disagree with or just confused because so few boxers do it?
6) WTF? no it isn't Wlad was my favorite fighter until steward. considering i am a fan of the sport, i love watching and admire aggression. KOs put asses seats... this isn't something i just invented for Floyd. Wlad also did alot of the things on the list but his boring ass style hurt the sport, it made for very sleep TV... had he been the top name in the sport i would be making this thread about him.

Anyways you seem to get confused when we talk, its as if you read something and go on the offensive, you forget what the original conversation was about, you omit valid points and bend the conversation in away that suits your needs so you can blast me or something, anyways you obviously seem to be agitated, lets just end the debate and agree to disagree. no need to respond.

it will remembered because the best fought the best...you think thats a wrong reason ? .Gatti-Ward was fun to watch but it wasnt an elite, high calibre match up

[Chollo Vista]

He helped himself, but harmed the sport.

[Irony123]

it will remembered because the best fought the best...you think thats a wrong reason ? .Gatti-Ward was fun to watch but it wasnt an elite, high calibre match up

Unfortunately I dont think it will be remember for the best fighting the best.

it will be remembered for being the most disappointing anti climatic, highest profile fight in decades... with many question marks like 1) Shoulder doe 2) 5 years too late 3) money it made 4) drug testing fiasco

[daggum]

i think in the past the best used to fight the best simply because they thought they had to. they probably didn't think they could get away with doing what floyd did but he took that last step and found out that yes it is possible as long as you have a very loyal fanbase that will defend you at every turn. margarito for 8 millino or sharmba and judah for less? you got fans defending that he picked sharmba and judah! that's trump style devotion. floyd just took advantage of human nature. obv not everyone will like it but a big enough chunk will in order to make him millions and that's all that mattered to him.

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

you can't decide if someone got their money's worth dude. Sorry but the fact so many people kept buying his fights indicates the git their money's worth.

No, it doesn't. Do you really think people were satisfied with how Mayweather's fight with Canelo, De La Hoya, and Pacquiao turned out to be?

Of course some people want to see him lose but you are suggesting this is the motivating factor in why people purchased his fights. That is utterly ******ed.

You are saying he is boring yet his arch rival, fighting in what you would call exciting, memorable fights, couldn't outsell him despite his PPV's being slightly less money.

Couldn't outsell him when?

You honestly think people purchased an inferior product (according to you) for more money just to see if Floyd loses? You can't be that ******.

Because it's not ****** to say that. Think about it. In order for people buy it, they have to build up his opponent as someone who has the possibility of beating him. That's how fights are promoted. If people knew beforehand that Floyd would win and nobody would try to convince fans otherwise, do you honestly think they would still buy it? No way!

[SUBZER0ED]

Nice try subzeroed but we all get it. Some fans of course want floyd to lose. That is not the main reason why people purchase a floyd fight.
If you think he took minimal risks, so be it. Many of the people that agree with you said he was afraid to fight the same people prior to floyd beating them.

See, I just can't agree with you there, Dunn. My homie and our group have tuned in to Floyd's fights for years, hoping to see him get waxed. He's portrayed himself as an antagonist for most of his career. It started with the "Pretty boy" nick name & went from there. The flashing cash, talking shit, & boasting while refusing to fight a prime Pacquiao got annoying. Everyone knows he waited for Manny to get good and old before he faced him. Now when he won masterfully, like he did against Hatton, we gave him props. He sucker punched Ortiz, but we allowed that Victor had it coming for his blatant fouls. But when he ran, grab & held like he did against Maidana, he got no love from us. Has there been a poll started about why people have tuned in to Floyd's fights? I think there may have been.