Did Mayweather Harm or Help the sport of boxing

[VERSION1 (V1)]

So you're denying that Floyd talked mess to promote his fights?



If he was so entertaining, then people wouldn't have been losing interest in his fights. The fact is, all those matches and yet, almost none of them live up to their hype. Not once have I ever heard anybody say his matches are entertaining. Not even from his fans.

then why was people was not buying pac fights because he was not entertaining too

[Razcal26]

Because you had no points anyway.

Typical response when someone is flustered.

Casuals watch more than just PPVs. They have free fights on HBO and Showtime, in which they will be watching more often then PPV fights. They'll know who Golovkin is, especially seeing how often he's being pushed as HBO's big star in a similar way to Tyson and Chavez before him.

LOL People wouldn't have even cared about the fight if that was the case. Mayweather appeared to be on the decline and that's why people tuned in. It surely wasn't to see him win, that's for sure.

Rubbish.

Golovkin was fighting on HBO and people STILL didn't know who he was. They put him on PPV without any serious promotion and look what happened. 97k PPV answers that.

The fact of the matter is, when a fighter is put on PPV, that is the promotion company taking a chance on you and putting money in you in hopes that a larger casual audience will take interest in you. They have you traveling to different cities to promote the fight, doing various radio interviews to get your name out there.
Nobody gives a damn about the TV which is why HBO just pulled Top Ranks budget back significantly. They'll know who Golovkin is because they are now having him fight on PPV exclusively because they have invested in him, they weren't doing that before and no one gave a ****.

Oh, so now we have gone from "Casuals bought the Mayweather V Guerrero fight because they believed Guerrero could win," to "Fans thought Mayweather was on the decline."

Decline? That was his first fight after being out from Jail you clown.

Again, 1 million people didn't tune in because Mayweather was fighting Guerrero, they tuned in because of Mayweather and you know it.

One of the ******est arguments I've ever heard. Done talking to this fool.

[The Big Dunn]

So you're denying that Floyd talked mess to promote his fights?



If he was so entertaining, then people wouldn't have been losing interest in his fights. The fact is, all those matches and yet, almost none of them live up to their hype. Not once have I ever heard anybody say his matches are entertaining. Not even from his fans.

No, but just because he played the villian doesn't mena people watched to see him lose.

This isn't the 1980's. People gravitate toward edgier people in the 90's and 2000's-Stone Cold, the Rock, Floyd, Brock Lesnar, McGregor, and some examples from UFC as well.

[Irony123]

Ok, so he was the most successful. Again, you are assuming the fighters are doing this when it is in fact the promoters/managers/networks responsible for this. They have been doing it for years.

Your problem is you assume (but do not state) that fighters choose their opponents. They do not, their promoters and networks do. Floyd had a unique deal that others do not have and even he still didn't dictate who he fought completely.

You are right there is a problem, you are just pointing at the bottom instead of at the top where the decisions are made.

you are right fighters don't choose their opponents all the time, but they have a big say and the more popular they become the bigger is their say. I am simply pointing out what i see, even though there is no factual statistics to support it because how can fighters opinion be turned into a statistic but i can tell you based on interviews of fighters a lot of them fall back on, i need to talk to my team or they need to offer me x amount of money etc. I can't picture oscar/promotors/networks dictating who Canelo will fight next, or who Cotto will fight next etc. they will reject really ****ty fights but that only makes sense.

Before we go any further with the debate i would like to clearly state that i don't think Mayweather is the root of all evil, I don't think he ruined the sport, i dont think what he did is new, nor do i think he is the only one to blame. having said all that i think he (as a poster boy/most known fighter in the sport) didn't do boxing any favors, in my opinion i feel others that were in his position or close to it throughout the years (the really big names - Ali, Tyson, Hagler/Duran/SRL/Hearns, Prince Naseem etc) furthered the sport compared to what Floyd did.

[Robbie Barrett]

Hate him or love him Mayweather helped keep boxing in the headlines.

[The Big Dunn]

you are right fighters don't choose their opponents all the time, but they have a big say and the more popular they become the bigger is their say. I am simply pointing out what i see, even though there is no factual statistics to support it because how can fighters opinion be turned into a statistic but i can tell you based on interviews of fighters a lot of them fall back on, i need to talk to my team or they need to offer me x amount of money etc. I can't picture oscar/promotors/networks dictating who Canelo will fight next, or who Cotto will fight next etc. they will reject really ****ty fights but that only makes sense.

Before we go any further with the debate i would like to clearly state that i don't think Mayweather is the root of all evil, I don't think he ruined the sport, i dont think what he did is new, nor do i think he is the only one to blame. having said all that i think he (as a poster boy/most known fighter in the sport) didn't do boxing any favors, in my opinion i feel others that were in his position or close to it throughout the years (the really big names - Ali, Tyson, Hagler/Duran/SRL/Hearns, Prince Naseem etc) furthered the sport compared to what Floyd did.

those statements are made so the opponent can't not inflate his value. Saying I want DUnn next means DUnn is going to ask for more.

WHy would they refuse easy fights for big money? was kirkland a good fight? is khan? come on dude, wake up. ODH is doing what he learned from Bob.

WHat fighter did the sport a favor? You think Ali fought Frazier because he wanted to do boxing a favor. He was broke and needed moeny and that was the highest paying fight out there.

You have a distorted, romanticized perception of the sport that is completely different than reality.

What do you mean by furthered the sport?

DO you mean fought big fights? If so, floyd did that. do you mean brought fans in-floyd did that. now, if you mean had a legendary fight, well no he hasn't. but those men fought in anera where boxing was bigger and the pool of talent was deeper.

SO

[Joe Beamish]

Today, "A side" fighters avoid other fighters through various means, and negotiate ways to unfairly handicap opponents in or near their weight class. Floyd didn't create this world, but he was a big part of exploiting it and setting an example for lesser men. He definitely avoided taller fighters with a longer reach; he definitely postponed facing Pacquaio for many years -- he only took fights on his own exact terms or he would simply avoid them.

Whenever Cotto or Canelo act like divas, it's because of Floyd.

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

then why was people was not buying pac fights because he was not entertaining too

People were buying Pacquiao's fights.

Typical response when someone is flustered.

Rubbish.

Rubbish.

Golovkin was fighting on HBO and people STILL didn't know who he was. They put him on PPV without any serious promotion and look what happened. 97k PPV answers that.

Yeah, you would going to hold his first PPV against him, which was against a nobody, huh? lol

The fact of the matter is, when a fighter is put on PPV, that is the promotion company taking a chance on you and putting money in you in hopes that a larger casual audience will take interest in you. They have you traveling to different cities to promote the fight, doing various radio interviews to get your name out there.
Nobody gives a damn about the TV which is why HBO just pulled Top Ranks budget back significantly. They'll know who Golovkin is because they are now having him fight on PPV exclusively because they have invested in him, they weren't doing that before and no one gave a ****.

If nobody gave a darn about the TV, then they wouldn't have even bothered to put him on PPV.

As what we see on TV very often, Golovkin is a KO artist and many fans (especially casuals) love KOs. He's also willing take one to land one and he's undefeated.

Oh, so now we have gone from "Casuals bought the Mayweather V Guerrero fight because they believed Guerrero could win," to "Fans thought Mayweather was on the decline."

Which is why they thought Guerrero had a chance to win.

Decline? That was his first fight after being out from Jail you clown.

Based on what they saw in the Cotto fight, you clown.

Again, 1 million people didn't tune in because Mayweather was fighting Guerrero, they tuned in because of Mayweather and you know it.

For what reason? Can you tell me?

[djeffectz]

Hurt the sport

Back then the best fought the best now its all risk/reward thing.
If you asked a friend whoes the first person you think about when someone said boxing, who would they say? Ali, Tyson and Pacquiao.

[sicko]

He didn't do anything to it to be honest. Nothing good or bad! His Manager did his homework on this sport, clearly found every loophole in it and they took full advantage of a sport that has a long history of taking advantage of fighters and using the up and then dumping them when they're done

More Power To Them!