Remember Back Before Al Haymon and PBC We Always Got The Best Fights?

[-Kev-]

Before PBC we only had HBO and Showtime fights, with occasional ESPN fights. The HBO/Showtime fights were the same caliber as the PBC fights.PBC is free to watch for the most part, at the very least, you don't pay anything extra. Anti-Haymon fans want PBC to put up even better fights than premium networks do, because they know it makes no sense to do that, so they as for it, even though not even premium networks can pull off top 10 caliber fights like GGG-Lemiuex without putting them on PPV for $59.99.

[-Kev-]

God, what I would give for a 2006. 32 fights on HBO


Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs

Decision: Miranda KO 1
12 rounds, Middleweight
Jason Litzau vs Jose Hernandez
Decision: Hernandez KO 8
10 rounds, Featherweight
DEC 09
Jermain Taylor vs Kassim Ouma

Decision: Taylor W 12
12 rounds, Middleweight
DEC 02
Winky Wright vs Ike Quartey

Decision: Wright W 12
12 rounds, Middleweight
NOV 25
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Jimerex Jaca

Decision: Marquez KO 9
12 rounds, Featherweight
NOV 18
Manny Pacquiao vs Erik Morales

Decision: Pacquiao KO 3
12 rounds, Super Featherweight
NOV 11
Wladimir Klitschko vs Calvin Brock

Decision: Klitschko KO 7
12 rounds, Heavyweight
NOV 04
Carlos Baldomir vs Floyd Mayweather

Decision: Mayweather W 12
12 rounds, Welterweight
OCT 21
Daniel Ponce De Leon vs Al Seeger

Decision: De Leon TKO 8
12 rounds, Featherweight
OCT 14
Joe Calzaghe vs Sakio Bika

Decision: Calzaghe W 12
12 rounds, Super Middleweight
OCT 07
Nikolai Valuev vs Monte Barrett

Decision: Valuev TKO 11
12 rounds, Heavyweight
SEP 23
Jorge Arce vs Hawk Makepula

Decision: Arce TKO 4
12 rounds, Flyweight
SEP 16
Marco Antonio Barrera vs Rocky Juarez

Decision: Barrera W 12
12 rounds, Junior Lightweight
AUG 19
Paul Williams vs Sharmba Mitchell

Decision: Williams TKO 4
12 rounds, Welterweight
AUG 05
Ike Quartey vs Vernon Forrest

Decision: Forrest W 12
10 rounds, Junior Middleweight
JUL 29
Vivian Harris vs Stevie Johnston

Decision: Harris TKO 7
10 rounds, Jr. Welterweight
Joshua Clottey vs Richard Gutierrez
Decision: Clottey W 12
12 rounds, Welterweight
JUL 22
Carlos Baldomir vs Arturo Gatti

Decision: Baldomir KO 9
12 rounds, Welterweight
JUL 15
Shane Mosley vs Fernando Vargas

Decision: Mosley TKO 6
12 rounds, Jr. Middleweight
JUN 24
Calvin Brock vs Timur Ibragimov

Decision: Brock W 12
12 rounds, Heavyweight
Joel Julio vs Carlos Quintana
Decision: Quintana W 12
12 rounds, Welterweight
JUN 17
Jermain Taylor vs Winky Wright

Decision: Draw
12 rounds, Middleweight
JUN 10
Antonion Tarver vs Bernard Hopkins

Decision: Hopkins W 12
12 rounds, Light Heavyweight
MAY 27
Jhonny Gonzalez vs Fernando Montiel

Decision: Gonzalez W 10
12 rounds, Bantamweight
Walter Matthysse vs Paul Williams
Decision: Williams TKO 10
12 rounds, Welterweight
MAY 20
Marco Antonion Barrera vs Rocky Juarez

Decision: Barrera W 12
12 rounds, Jr. Lightweight
MAY 13
Luis Collazo vs Ricky Hatton

Decision: Hatton W 12
12 rounds, Welterweight
MAY 06
Oscar De La Hoya vs Ricardo Mayorga

Decision: De La Hoya TKO 6
12 rounds, Light Middleweight
APR 29
Acelino Freitas vs Zahir Raheem

Decision: Freitas W 12
12 rounds, Lightweight
Andre Ward vs Andy Kolle
Decision: Ward TKO 6
8 rounds, Middleweight
APR 22
Chris Byrd vs Wladimir Klitschko

Decision: Klitschko TKO 7
12 rounds, Heavyweight
APR 08
Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Zab Judah

Decision: Mayweather W 12
12 rounds, Welterweight
MAR 18
Hasim Rahman vs James Toney

Decision: Draw
12 rounds, Heavyweight
MAR 04
Miguel Cotto vs Guanluca Branco

Decision: Cotto TKO 5
12 rounds, Jr. Welterweight
FEB 25
Fernando Vargas vs Shane Mosley

Decision: Mosley TKO 10
12 rounds, Jr. Middleweight
JAN 28
Arturo Gatti vs Thomas Damgaard

Decision: Gatti TKO 10
12 rounds, Welterweight
JAN 21
Erik Morales vs Manny Pacquiao

Decision: Pacquiao TKO 10
12 rounds, Super Featherweight

Lots of PPV's as well.

[-Kev-]

So today, HBO would pay Roy Jones $10 million to fight Del Valle?? Making **** up again. Attendance for that fight was 4,519 in the MSG Theatre.

SMH @ you



You did not. You said the average of the cards I listed would be $250K because you're talking out of your ass as usual.

Lmfao that guy is crazy...in what world is any fighter going to get paid $10million for a WCB card on HBO. Two fighters combined will not see $10million on HBO unless it was PPV. And the PPV had do great numbers for that. Today Roy gets paid $2-3 million for Del Valle. According to inflation, $2 million in 1998 is $2.9 million today. So Roy was actually getting paid then what he would now.

[The Big Dunn]

Chavez vs Whittaker wasn't a unification fight. Chavez moved up from SLW and the only title on the line was Whittaker's WBC WW.

So far as I know the only catchweight unification fight between 2 champs in the same division was BHop vs Oscar. And we all know that Oscar wasn't really a MW and BHop gave him the catchweight willingly.

So no, it didn't happen a number of times before the internet.

Dude, you have no idea. I saw both chavez/sweet pea live (on tv) and I was at bhop/ODH. There was NO discussion of the weight being CW's.

You forgot SRL/Lalonde (probably because I didn't mention it and you don't know) where the weight was discussed but even then it wasn't a huge issue.

It's very similar to pro wrestling where the internet has has given fans access to MUCH more of the behind the scenes information.

[just the facts]

HBO's schedule from 1998 before PBC ruined boxing:

DEC 19
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs Angel Manfredy
DEC 12
Ivan Robinson vs Arturo Gatti
NOV 28
Luisito Espinoza vs Kennedy McKinney
NOV 14
Roy Jones, Jr. vs Otis Grant
OCT 31
Naseem Hamed vs Wayne McCullough
OCT 24
David Reid vs James Coker
OCT 03
Gernaro Hernandez vs Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
SEP 26
Lennox Lewis vs Zeljko Mavrovic
SEP 18
Oscar De La Hoya vs Julio Cesar Chavez
SEP 12
Erik Morales vs Junior Jones
AUG 22
Arturo Gatti vs Ivan Robinson
JUL 18
Roy Jones, Jr. vs Lou Del Valle
JUN 13
Oscar De La Hoya vs Patrick Charpentier
MAY 31
Michael Grant vs Obed Sullivan
MAY 09
Shane Mosley vs John John Molina
APR 25
Roy Jones, Jr. vs Virgil Hill
MAR 28
Lennox Lewis vs Shannon Briggs
MAR 14
Keith Mullings vs Davide Ciarlante
FEB 06
William Guthrie vs Reggie Johnson
JAN 31
Bernard Hopkins vs Simon Brown
JAN 17
Arturo Gatti vs Angel Manfredy

Look familiar? Not saying there aren't some good fights on that list, but let's be real. You just have top fighters making title defenses against other contenders. No super megafights, not many 1s vs 2s.

The sport had a mega PPV a year earlier that resulted in an ear biting incident and you heard the chants of "boxing is dead". You also had a couple of big Oscar PPVs with Whitaker and Camacho which each did over 500K buys. The year later, probably one of the worst years in boxing that I can recall.

Kind of in a similar position we are in now. Last year we had May/Pac and Canelo/Cotto.

Where we stand now is just breeding the next generation of fighters to carry us into the next era.

WTF does HBOs schedule from 15+ years ago have to do with PBC? The quality and quantity of HBO boxing was going down hill long before anyone even heard of PBC.

[Eff Pandas]

I could bet that those guys were not getting $1 million per fight. $250K is probably the average. Maybe even significantly less.

Exactly why top fighters are not prompted to fight more often these days. Why would they? They can actually retire after fighting 2 bums ($1 million per fight.)

Haymon has destroyed boxing.

Remember this was back when HBO had a $100M-ish budget doe. I bet there are more guys who made $1M+ in 1998 than there were guys making $1M+ in 2015 on HBO.

And if Haymon has destroyed boxing in the last year with PBC or the last few years with his increased activity in boxing as a player that says more about the poor foundation boxing has been built on lately than Haymon.

[kafkod]

Dude, you have no idea. I saw both chavez/sweet pea live (on tv) and I was at bhop/ODH. There was NO discussion of the weight being CW's.

You forgot SRL/Lalonde (probably because I didn't mention it and you don't know) where the weight was discussed but even then it wasn't a huge issue.

It's very similar to pro wrestling where the internet has has given fans access to MUCH more of the behind the scenes information.

True, I don't know whether CWs were discussed much before the Chavez/Whittaker and BHop/Dela Hoya fights.

But I do know that Chavez/Dela Hoya was NOT a unification fight, which was what I was saying. It was a fight between 2 champs from different divisions with only the heavier man's title on the line.

The CW most definitely was discussed before SRL/Lalonde.

How could it not have been when SRL was a MW, Lalonde was a LHW and they were fighting at 168 for a newly created SMW title?

That wasn't a unification fight either. They fought for 2 titles, but SRL wasn't holding one of them.

[-Antonio-]

This is the worst year of boxing in 16 years I've been closely following it. Someone show me a worse year.

PBC was cool last year. I even went to one of their cards in Brooklyn. But it's quickly turned to ****. Aside from the Wilder KO, which I enjoyed they have been terrible the past 6 months, and it doesn't look any better the rest of the year.

[The Big Dunn]

True, I don't know whether CWs were discussed much before the Chavez/Whittaker and BHop/Dela Hoya fights.

But I do know that Chavez/Dela Hoya was NOT a unification fight, which was what I was saying. It was a fight between 2 champs from different divisions with only the heavier man's title on the line.

The CW most definitely was discussed before SRL/Lalonde.

How could it not have been when SRL was a MW, Lalonde was a LHW and they were fighting at 168 for a newly created SMW title?

That wasn't a unification fight either. They fought for 2 titles, but SRL wasn't holding one of them.

chavez/sweetpea not chavez/ODH. I meant to say it was for the lineal tile at a CW.

I think we are about on the same page. I am not trying to make it seem like every fight was a CW. My only point is there are major fights where CW's are not a huge issue prior to the internet.

[al-Xander]

Lmfao that guy is crazy...in what world is any fighter going to get paid $10million for a WCB card on HBO. Two fighters combined will not see $10million on HBO unless it was PPV. And the PPV had do great numbers for that. Today Roy gets paid $2-3 million for Del Valle. According to inflation, $2 million in 1998 is $2.9 million today. So Roy was actually getting paid then what he would now.

Nonsense. I was making an exaggeration and he didn't even address the Thurman/Garcia/Santa Claus equivalents I mentioned in my post.

Keep fooling yourselves.