Remember Back Before Al Haymon and PBC We Always Got The Best Fights?

[ИATAS]

Dudes just be making **** up:

Jones vs. Del Valle

There was more going around back then compared to now. Networks being stingy as **** right now so outside of the big PPVs which only a few fighters can pull off money is slim.

Plus who cares if an Al Haymon fighter gets $1m+ a fight if they only fight once or twice a year. Besides Broner and a couple others, most aren't that active.

[-PBP-]

God, what I would give for a 2006. 32 fights on HBO


Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs

Decision: Miranda KO 1
12 rounds, Middleweight
Jason Litzau vs Jose Hernandez
Decision: Hernandez KO 8
10 rounds, Featherweight
DEC 09
Jermain Taylor vs Kassim Ouma

Decision: Taylor W 12
12 rounds, Middleweight
DEC 02
Winky Wright vs Ike Quartey

Decision: Wright W 12
12 rounds, Middleweight
NOV 25
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Jimerex Jaca

Decision: Marquez KO 9
12 rounds, Featherweight
NOV 18
Manny Pacquiao vs Erik Morales

Decision: Pacquiao KO 3
12 rounds, Super Featherweight
NOV 11
Wladimir Klitschko vs Calvin Brock

Decision: Klitschko KO 7
12 rounds, Heavyweight
NOV 04
Carlos Baldomir vs Floyd Mayweather

Decision: Mayweather W 12
12 rounds, Welterweight
OCT 21
Daniel Ponce De Leon vs Al Seeger

Decision: De Leon TKO 8
12 rounds, Featherweight
OCT 14
Joe Calzaghe vs Sakio Bika

Decision: Calzaghe W 12
12 rounds, Super Middleweight
OCT 07
Nikolai Valuev vs Monte Barrett

Decision: Valuev TKO 11
12 rounds, Heavyweight
SEP 23
Jorge Arce vs Hawk Makepula

Decision: Arce TKO 4
12 rounds, Flyweight
SEP 16
Marco Antonio Barrera vs Rocky Juarez

Decision: Barrera W 12
12 rounds, Junior Lightweight
AUG 19
Paul Williams vs Sharmba Mitchell

Decision: Williams TKO 4
12 rounds, Welterweight
AUG 05
Ike Quartey vs Vernon Forrest

Decision: Forrest W 12
10 rounds, Junior Middleweight
JUL 29
Vivian Harris vs Stevie Johnston

Decision: Harris TKO 7
10 rounds, Jr. Welterweight
Joshua Clottey vs Richard Gutierrez
Decision: Clottey W 12
12 rounds, Welterweight
JUL 22
Carlos Baldomir vs Arturo Gatti

Decision: Baldomir KO 9
12 rounds, Welterweight
JUL 15
Shane Mosley vs Fernando Vargas

Decision: Mosley TKO 6
12 rounds, Jr. Middleweight
JUN 24
Calvin Brock vs Timur Ibragimov

Decision: Brock W 12
12 rounds, Heavyweight
Joel Julio vs Carlos Quintana
Decision: Quintana W 12
12 rounds, Welterweight
JUN 17
Jermain Taylor vs Winky Wright

Decision: Draw
12 rounds, Middleweight
JUN 10
Antonion Tarver vs Bernard Hopkins

Decision: Hopkins W 12
12 rounds, Light Heavyweight
MAY 27
Jhonny Gonzalez vs Fernando Montiel

Decision: Gonzalez W 10
12 rounds, Bantamweight
Walter Matthysse vs Paul Williams
Decision: Williams TKO 10
12 rounds, Welterweight
MAY 20
Marco Antonion Barrera vs Rocky Juarez

Decision: Barrera W 12
12 rounds, Jr. Lightweight
MAY 13
Luis Collazo vs Ricky Hatton

Decision: Hatton W 12
12 rounds, Welterweight
MAY 06
Oscar De La Hoya vs Ricardo Mayorga

Decision: De La Hoya TKO 6
12 rounds, Light Middleweight
APR 29
Acelino Freitas vs Zahir Raheem

Decision: Freitas W 12
12 rounds, Lightweight
Andre Ward vs Andy Kolle
Decision: Ward TKO 6
8 rounds, Middleweight
APR 22
Chris Byrd vs Wladimir Klitschko

Decision: Klitschko TKO 7
12 rounds, Heavyweight
APR 08
Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Zab Judah

Decision: Mayweather W 12
12 rounds, Welterweight
MAR 18
Hasim Rahman vs James Toney

Decision: Draw
12 rounds, Heavyweight
MAR 04
Miguel Cotto vs Guanluca Branco

Decision: Cotto TKO 5
12 rounds, Jr. Welterweight
FEB 25
Fernando Vargas vs Shane Mosley

Decision: Mosley TKO 10
12 rounds, Jr. Middleweight
JAN 28
Arturo Gatti vs Thomas Damgaard

Decision: Gatti TKO 10
12 rounds, Welterweight
JAN 21
Erik Morales vs Manny Pacquiao

Decision: Pacquiao TKO 10
12 rounds, Super Featherweight

That was back when the best fought the best, fight after fight, no soft touches. You had up and coming fighters like Paul Williams and Miguel Cotto challenging themselves against Sharmba Mitchell and Guanluca Branco.

[al-Xander]

Dudes just be making **** up:

Jones vs. Del Valle

LOL at this guy coming up with RJJ who was a huge star back then. He'll probably be getting $10 million in today's standards.

I was talking about Thurman, Garcia, Santa Cruz equivalents. Do you think a guy like Lara fighting Zaveck and Rodriguez would deserve $2 million back then? Or Garcia getting $700K for fighting Salsa, Santa Clown, $750K for fighting a sparring partner?

[-PBP-]

LOL at this guy coming up with RJJ who was a huge star back then. He'll probably be getting $10 million in today's standards.

So today, HBO would pay Roy Jones $10 million to fight Del Valle?? Making **** up again. Attendance for that fight was 4,519 in the MSG Theatre.

SMH @ you

I was talking about Thurman, Garcia, Santa Cruz equivalents. Do you think a guy like Lara fighting Zaveck and Rodriguez would deserve $2 million back then? Or Garcia getting $700K for fighting Salsa, Santa Clown, $750K for fighting a sparring partner?

You did not. You said the average of the cards I listed would be $250K because you're talking out of your ass as usual.

[mathed]

Everyone is suffering from that diva complex now days.

[Foreign Soil]

HBO led the way in overpaying P4P fighters to face bums back then. Since the budget keeps getting smaller, that practice has come back to haunt them.

[Jsmooth9876]

HBO led the way in overpaying P4P fighters to face bums back then. Since the budget keeps getting smaller, that practice has come back to haunt them.

And the PBC has picked up right where HBO left off I guess?

[Porter's Dad]

Good thread. We've had barren years before. But it does feel more pronounced and tangible now because of the network and promotional issues. A great fight being made seems almost like a miracle these days.

But I maintain, things will open up again. You seen that Arum clip with FightHype where he's asking Haymon to call him to make fights? Haymon himself is loosening his control freakery. Things will get better because the money is gonna dry up if it doesn't.

I will say this, though. There is no doubt in my mind Haymon royally ****ed up Showtime. He screwed up HBO too, but Showtime used to host so many amazing fights that the hardcore fans loved. The Super Six and a boatload of amazing/excellent fights between the smaller fighters (Marquez vs Vasquez trilogy, Donaire vs Darchinyan, the Bantamweight Tourney). The demise of Showtime has been very sad to see.

[kafkod]

The only problem is comparing anything pre and post internet. The problem is now boxing fans have too much information.

I bet there were a number of CW unification fights other than ODH/bhop or chavez sr/sweet pea. without the internet, fans just enjoyed the fights. Now, fans will moan for 3 months leading up to the fight about the CW and all the info surrounding it. Makes the fight 10 times less enjoyable.

Every fight can't be a great one. Fans used to enjoy all levels of fights.. Now it seems some only can enjoy it when its on one network and the guy fighting is a star.

Chavez vs Whittaker wasn't a unification fight. Chavez moved up from SLW and the only title on the line was Whittaker's WBC WW.

So far as I know the only catchweight unification fight between 2 champs in the same division was BHop vs Oscar. And we all know that Oscar wasn't really a MW and BHop gave him the catchweight willingly.

So no, it didn't happen a number of times before the internet.

[PKing]

GREAT THREAD!

Expose the Lil morons here... there are PLENTY lol

Remember when HBO had a $120 million budget in 2000. Now they have led than $25 million for boxing.

Why is that?