Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: Deontay Wilder is a Champion Until I Fight Him

[Teddy05]

Let's not stretch the truth. He looked good against Chisora (who is shot) in the 2nd fight and Hammer (definition of a can), both guys who he absolutely should look marvelous against. Wlad looked the the ass-end of awful against Fury and Fury was barely better than that so, again, don't get lost in wishful thinking.
I like Fury but I can't lie about his abilities.
I can tell you're not going to let this go so I'll just leave it at that.

Haha no im happy to agree to disagree. I just think Klitschko looking awful had a lot to do with fury and the looks he presented, as Klitschko was looking pretty good previous to this fight. Only my opinion though

[LoadedWraps]

Let's not stretch the truth. He looked good against Chisora (who is shot) in the 2nd fight and Hammer (definition of a can), both guys who he absolutely should look marvelous against. Wlad looked the the ass-end of awful against Fury and Fury was barely better than that so, again, don't get lost in wishful thinking.
I like Fury but I can't lie about his abilities.
I can tell you're not going to let this go so I'll just leave it at that.

Sorry but you're just wrong here. Marginal abilities?

You don't control a disciplined boxer with feints, pawing jabs, and shoulder movement as a marginally good boxer. You don't land uppercuts led combinations in movement and switch stances while controlling your opponent with marginal abilities.

Fury would outbox Wilder for 7 rounds, and maul him to a late stoppage. Wilder spends way too much time off balance to not go down from a straight right or uppercut inside from a slick giant in Tyson Fury.

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No disrespect to you but that's absolute bullshyt. I've been watching him for years now and I even recall a commentator saying once that Fury fights were exciting because he reached the brink of disaster in nearly every fight but always came back to win. That stuck in my head because it was exactly why I loved watching him fight. Marginal skills but great heart and I love him for that (but I'm not going to pretend he's the technician people are trying to make him out to be).

The Fury of today is a completely different fighter to the one earlier in his career. The facts remain that Fury has barely lost a round in his last 3 fights, one of those being Wladimir Klitschko.

He's highly skilled, can fight on the inside and out, can flawlessly switch stances even better than Crawford, has an excellent jab, excellent footwork and movement, especially for such a big man. Compare his movement to other giants like Ustinov and Wach and see the difference.

Funny how all these fighters suddenly become shot after Fury destroys them, not before of course, only after.

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Haha no im happy to agree to disagree. I just think Klitschko looking awful had a lot to do with fury and the looks he presented, as Klitschko was looking pretty good previous to this fight. Only my opinion though

Only a year before, Klitschko KO'd Pulev and guys here were claiming he was p4p #1 and one of the GOAT's. Fury beats him and he suddenly becomes shot to bits, and was never any good in the first place.

[Sledgeweather17]

Yea, I think Szpitlka went for broke by rushing in and it really worked... until it didn't. Povetkin is one of the few heavies that can bum rush with a degree of success which why I think he's the biggest danger to Wilder.
I haven't seen Ortiz face real adversity so I'm reluctant to speculate how he'll cope with the power coming from so far away. Regardless, Ortiz is the more talented of the two (and of the division) and if he's as smart as I think he is, he'll have a plan.

I disagree. Ortiz is more cultured and skilled (because of Cuban training and extensive amateur background), but he is not more talented. Wilder started late and didn't get an extensive amateur background, but it is his superior natural talents that have put him where he is.

I also disagree with your point of view regarding the Szpilka fight. Szpilka wasn't rushing in, in fact, it was the complete opposite. Szpilka was boxing very well throughout the fight until he got hit with that counter right. He knew when to turn it up and when to take a step back and his was very evasive against Wilder's punches. He boxed a smart game, a far cry from rushing in.

Wilder just outsmarted him in the end by bating him against the ropes and hitting him with that chopping counter right.

If you noticed in Wilder's previous fights, especially his most recent against Dehaupas, Wilder counters well when he's against the ropes, he even uses them as leverage sometimes for a one-two counter, or he'll be circling to your right and then hit you with a left hook when you try to chase him.

Szpilka was aware of this and avoided engaging Wilder whenever he saw Wilder voluntarily leaning against the ropes. However, this time, it wasn't voluntary, Szpilka was having a moment and pushing Wilder against the rope and got countered with a massive right hand.

Lol'd at how the reply shows Wilder holding Szpilka's head in place before launching the right tho, what an unconventional way to stop the opponent's head movement.

[skinnystev]

calling a black fighter king kong thats racist ain't it well i guess it don't really matter after all

[vitali1999]

Sad for Wilder that Ortiz has 10 less fights, isn't a champion and has fought many better fighters, ranked fighters. Well I guess that's why Wilder yells out BUM SQUAD all the time.

[Redd Foxx]

Lol'd at how the reply shows Wilder holding Szpilka's head in place before launching the right tho, what an unconventional way to stop the opponent's head movement.

That's actually a pretty advanced means of control that you'll see Andre Ward and certain other high-level boxers use a lot on southpaws. Use the lead to control the opponent, turn him, parry his lead, obscure his vision, etc. I'm not going to say that Wilder is anywhere on the level of a Ward, only that it's a method I'm very familiar with.

[fourtheboys96]

People tend to forget how bad wilder looked for a belt holder against the likes of Molina, Duhaupas, and Wilder until the KO.

Ortiz is more skillful than those fighters. He knows what to do and what to avoid from Wilder.

[deathofaclown]

The Fury of today is a completely different fighter to the one earlier in his career. The facts remain that Fury has barely lost a round in his last 3 fights, one of those being Wladimir Klitschko.

He's highly skilled, can fight on the inside and out, can flawlessly switch stances even better than Crawford, has an excellent jab, excellent footwork and movement, especially for such a big man. Compare his movement to other giants like Ustinov and Wach and see the difference.

Funny how all these fighters suddenly become shot after Fury destroys them, not before of course, only after.

Fury has always been very talented, he was ranked in the top 2 in the world as a junior.

The problem early in his pro career was that it was a lottery if he was going to turn up in decent shape or motivated at all. Still got the job done in every fight though.

I think Fury would make very easy work of Wilder. Wilder doesn't even have good enough fundamentals to compete with Fury, unless he lands some big wild swing.

Fury would also give Ortiz a long night in my opinion. He would offset everything Ortiz does with his style and size. Ortiz is very good though, i just think Fury would be a stylistic nightmare for him.