Poll: if an athlete cheated and got away with it does it still count as a legit win?

[Zaroku]

why hasn't this guy been banned from this site yet?

Me or spoon???

Just to be clear...

Peace

[Larry the boss]

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

Me or spoon???

Just to be clear...

Peace

spoon lol how does he get away with this stuff

[Zaroku]

spoon lol how does he get away with this stuff

Thanks!!!

He is riding PAC dong and loves it.. New twisted threads coming out regularly...

I thought about matching him in meaninglessness threads... But we got enough of those...

Potential threads:

Does PAC always lie, or only when he is awake.

Did Marquez cheat by making PAC trip, then landing a lucky punch, in slow motion...

Was PAC KTFO6, for that long... Was it slow motion that made it seem so long???

Would PAC still be KTFO6 now, years later without smelling salts?????

I got millions of potentially idiotic threads!!!

[therealpugilist]

spoon lol how does he get away with this stuff

ive been thinking this for years


I made a thread months ago about fishy things that went on in Pacs camp etc and they always get removed. He can post anything. **** stuff, non boxing and it stays. He must be in cahoots with the mod or a mod himself.

[Spoon23]

Being convinced in your own mind that a fighter cheated or not is totally different from a fighter being cleared as cheating or not.

One is an opinion of a fan and one is an official call.

If a fighter gets a W and the only thing that points to them cheating is your own thoughts, then yeah they still deserve the W, of course they do. If they get called into su****ion from the powers that be prior to the W, or even become outed as a cheat outright, then of course people have the right for it to feel tainted if the W isn't reversed, but that is down to an official ruling from the bodies, not a few opinions of fans. If it goes down in the books as a W then a fans opinion can not change it's legitimacy if all that exists is su****ion.

This has nothing to do with the official win. The question is simple if you believe that fighter was a cheat and was awarded the W. in your opinion, did he still win in your own boxing record of the fighter. Will you still grant him the win?

Yes or no.

[Larry the boss]

[Larry the boss]

[SthPaw]

This has nothing to do with the official win. The question is simple if you believe that fighter was a cheat and was awarded the W. in your opinion, did he still win in your own boxing record of the fighter. Will you still grant him the win?

Yes or no.

I get you man I know its simple, its just a fine line to me. If I personally saw a guy win but in my opinion he cheated then I would feel inclined to still accept it as a win in my mind because I wouldn't want to let my opinion have too much of an impact on the reality. The reality being the fact that the su****ion is only in my head and I am aware of that.

If there was general widespread su****ion, from fans opinions and reactions all the way up to the boards and the bodies, then I would feel more inclined to disregard it as a complete win, meaning in the books it is a W, but the reality is that everyone should see it as tainted at least.

Like Margarito and his hand wrap scandal in terms of his bout with Cotto. If he never got caught afterwards and I personally had just suspected he had loaded gloves then I would not class it as a NC/no win in my mind, because I wouldn't want to rely just too much on what I thought and take my personal su****ions as gospel. However the reality being that officially it is a win BUT there is that much dirt stuck to that fight from so many angles that we would be wise to leave an asterisk over that win knowing what we know now. Hopefully that makes a little sense man.

Basically, if it is based just on my own personal su****ion and I was aware of that, then I would still class it a W in my mind.

[Zaroku]

I get you man I know its simple, its just a fine line to me. If I personally saw a guy win but in my opinion he cheated then I would feel inclined to still accept it as a win in my mind because I wouldn't want to let my opinion have too much of an impact on the reality. The reality being the fact that the su****ion is only in my head and I am aware of that.

If there was general widespread su****ion, from fans opinions and reactions all the way up to the boards and the bodies, then I would feel more inclined to disregard it as a complete win, meaning in the books it is a W, but the reality is that everyone should see it as tainted at least.

Like Margarito and his hand wrap scandal in terms of his bout with Cotto. If he never got caught afterwards and I personally had just suspected he had loaded gloves then I would not class it as a NC/no win in my mind, because I wouldn't want to rely just too much on what I thought and take my personal su****ions as gospel. However the reality being that officially it is a win BUT there is that much dirt stuck to that fight from so many angles that we would be wise to leave an asterisk over that win knowing what we know now. Hopefully that makes a little sense man.

Basically, if it is based just on my own personal su****ion and I was aware of that, then I would still class it a W in my mind.

Spoon, listen to this guy... He can help you!!