The problem with a lot of PBC fighters

[-PBP-]

Here is the difference---

Jackson, nunn, norris, etc were in the shadows of tyson, chavez, leonard, hearns, duran, camacho, mancini, foreman, pernell, hagler, evander.. Those guys were all legit superstars


Garcia, khan, porter, thurman,,, who's shadow are they in???? Floyd and manny are basically done,,, canelo and cotto together couldn't break a million buys.. That should be a telling sign that boxing has no popularity with the mainstream anymore... Literally you have one star in their prime (canelo) and his biggest fights can only do half of what a big floyd, oscar, evander, tyson, manny did in their big fights..

tito/oscar doubled up what canelo/cotto did... So basically boxing has lost all mainstream support..

Never before in the history of the sport, has the top stars been such weak draws

Well you got to start somewhere. Money Mayweather was Pretty Boy Floyd at one point in his career that had to play B-side to Gatti.

He got there from beating fighters like Corrales, Castillo, Hernandez, etc. No PPVs, no sell out arenas, just a young contender taking on the best fighters.

Once a clear #1 welterweight emerges, who knows what will happen ? Casual fans are bandwagon hoppers. They won't be there for the come up but will come flocking in once the dust settles.

Thurman/Garcia isn't the big PPV fight. It's a fight that gets you one step closer to stardom.

[Scipio2009]

they can start by not letting keith thurman don the analyst had ever again. that **** was cringe worthy. they can do away with the music style beyonce concert intro where the boxer is walking down some stairs with the chopped hurried musical introduction.

boxing ring entrance should be kept the same with the fighter walking from the dresser with his own music un******ed, seeing his final walk to battle where you can see his the boxer in deep thought or not giving a fck like some boxers with his myriad of entourages and their unique personalities being shown. That is the natural aura of a true prize fight.

Ring entrance is a natural extension/aura of a boxer. That is the true ambiance of a prize fight.

I doubt that the ring entrances for Hagler-Duran, or any other fights before that were "natural extensions of a boxer", lol.

You have grown accustomed to, and maybe even enjoy, HBO's presentation of boxing; it's been that way for the last 30 years so that's understandable.

Haymon, through his PBC effort, imagines boxing being presented differently; for his seeming plan, anything that draws attention away from the actual fighter was deemed not needed (giving the fighter wider birth in choosing their own music, in addition to have a fighter's second/cutman/assistant come down with him, were changes that Haymon accepted, but the general framework is the same).

No different than when HBO decided to change the way they presented fights, this PBC change will likely also have detractors.

Still, 2-3 years from now, when everyone gets use to the PBC presentation for most of the fights on TV, people will look back on the days of seeing 30-40 people in the ring and think "WTF were those guys thinking?"

[Sugar Adam Ali]

This statement describes every promoter in boxing as well as HBO and Showtime. Or do you actually thing that Alvarez/Khan and GGG/Wade are great followups to Alvarez/Cotto and GGG/Lemieux?

You're exactly right,,, thats why boxing really isn't a sport anymore and has no casual fans..

I was hoping PBC would change the sport but they are just doing the status quo except on network tv instead of HBO showtime

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Well you got to start somewhere. Money Mayweather was Pretty Boy Floyd at one point in his career that had to play B-side to Gatti.

He got there from beating fighters like Corrales, Castillo, Hernandez, etc. No PPVs, no sell out arenas, just a young contender taking on the best fighters.

Once a clear #1 welterweight emerges, who knows what will happen ? Casual fans are bandwagon hoppers. They won't be there for the come up but will come flocking in once the dust settles.

Thurman/Garcia isn't the big PPV fight. It's a fight that gets you one step closer to stardom.

Floyd was in the shadow of roy jones, lennox, mike, evander, oscar, tito, shane, vargas, morales, barrera, prince.......

literally no shadows in boxing anymore

[Scipio2009]

How are they building it????

No one outside of boxing fans know who any of those guys are...

You know that that's a lie right?

Garcia:
-vs Guerrero (headline on FOX)
-vs Malignaggi (headline on ESPN)
-vs Peterson (headline on NBC)

Thurman:
[vs Porter (headline on CBS)]
-vs Collazo (headline on ESPN)
-vs Guerrero (headline on NBC)

Porter:
[vs Thurman (headline on CBS)]
-vs Broner (headline on NBC)
-vs Bone (co-feature on SpikeTV)

The viewer numbers are available in the message boards here; don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but, counting the fight averages, 6m people saw Danny's last three fights and ~5m saw Thurman's last two fights.

[-PBP-]

Floyd was in the shadow of roy jones, lennox, mike, evander, oscar, tito, shane, vargas, morales, barrera, prince.......

literally no shadows in boxing anymore

They are in the shadows of Mayweather, Pacquiao and Cotto but weren't good enough to beat them and take the torch. Plus boxing's got more of an international presence now so your stars are overseas.

Look at Canelo. All he had to do was win 4-5 rounds to take the torch from Mayweather but he got shutout. Oscar was in a similar situation and did enough to get a decision over Sweet Pea even though 14 out of 26 ringside obsevers felt sweet pea won. The decision goes to the young guy with the upside and earning potential.

Those torch passing fights are the fights that create new stars.

Boxing just one year ago reached its pinnacle and the largest event of all time took place. The rebuilding will take time.

[Sweet Jones]

You're exactly right,,, thats why boxing really isn't a sport anymore and has no casual fans..

I was hoping PBC would change the sport but they are just doing the status quo except on network tv instead of HBO showtime

So, you thought PBC was going to reverse 40 plus years of 'the business of boxing' AND create a new generation of big names and PPV stars in less than one year?

And accomplish all of this while being fought tooth and nail by competitors (HBO), sued (Top Rank, Golden Boy) and being under a steady stream of hate from the traditional 'boxing media' (The Fight Game and Hauser from HBO, Rafael and ESPN, Steve Kim, Doug Fischer, etc.)

Is that a realistic expectation to have? Seriously.

[Sweet Jones]

They are in the shadows of Mayweather, Pacquiao and Cotto but weren't good enough to beat them and take the torch. Plus boxing's got more of an international presence now so your stars are overseas.

Look at Canelo. All he had to do was win 4-5 rounds to take the torch from Mayweather but he got shutout. Oscar was in a similar situation and did enough to get a decision over Sweet Pea even though 14 out of 26 ringside obsevers felt sweet pea won. The decision goes to the young guy with the upside and earning potential.

Those torch passing fights are the fights that create new stars.

Boxing just one year ago reached its pinnacle and the largest event of all time took place. The rebuilding will take time.

Exactly. Look at how much better a position Kovalev (Hopkins) and Tyson Fury (Klitschko) are in now for the future by wrestling the torch from their predecessors.

[AddiX]

There isn't as many black fans as there use to be, and they really don't support anyone but Floyd.

So if your a black fighter you really don't sell the way other fightters of other races can.

Add to that that to the fact these guys don't want to fight tough fights and your stuck with a huge roster of fighters no one cares about.

What the he'll is the difference between a Charlo, a Jacobs, and a Badou Jack?

Not a god damn thing. So why should anyone care about them?

[about.thousands]

I'd disagree; outside of Adrien Broner and possibly Abner Mares(pre-Santa Cruz fight), how many PBC fighters are earnestly trying to hype their way to superstardom?

Most guys seem like solid, hard-working fighters, some more natural on the mic than others, but the hype hasn't been too ridiculous, imo. With management moving guys along at what they deem to be solid paces, things are on the cusp of being to the point that guys facing off is making sense for everyone.

having a new "Money" Mayweather, imo, is a long ways away for the PBC, but there are lot of guys who are on the cusp of being "Pretty Boy" Floyd.

I think some of the younger fighters are being brought along pretty well but guys like Garcia and Thurman are disappointments to me. They're already established and seem to content. Garcia's father even said it's not about fighting the best it's about the money. People are hard on Broner but he's one of the few that will take on tough comp. He skipped over a weight class and fought Paulie and then Maidana. Garcia moves up one weight class and fights Paulie and then Guerrero. A guy like Spence should be fighting Guerrero not Garcia. And the younger guys with talent aren't even attempting to build themselves. Where is Jermall Charlo? No fights scheduled. Fought ****in Campfort after winning the title and has faded into obscurity. He'll probably only fight twice this year. He should be fighting 3-4 times a year and then I could understand fighting the Wilky Campfort's of the world.