The HBO Budget Crisis and What it Means

[HeroBando]

Everyone knows PBC is paying for network air time, so would it be so strange that they would also be supplementing the Showtime license fees with hedge fund money.




Simple: variety of programming. Neither HBO nor Showtime makes a penny from people watching their shows. All they care about is whether or not subscribers have paid for that month's programming.

I guess but that gets murky legally, and is not a sustainable model.

Variety is great but looks like they could get similar numbers if they spent 20x less on boxing. It's a very hard sell

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Most of those guys were no Ppv draws, only Oscar and less so Tito. Pac only did solid number vs Maxican first ballot HOFs, who by themselves couldn't sell a ppv in the US

LMao... Morales, barrera, etc were much bigger draws that today's Golovkin or Ward..

Hopkins was drawing PPv dollars with dudes like joppy, taylor, winky..

Floyd was dicing up gatti

Shane headlined a bunch of PPVs

Who had a legitimate number of PPv draws,,, today you have one with canelo..

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LMao... Morales, barrera, etc were much bigger draws that today's Golovkin or Ward..

Hopkins was drawing PPv dollars with dudes like joppy, taylor, winky..

Floyd was dicing up gatti

Shane headlined a bunch of PPVs

Who had a legitimate number of PPv draws,,, today you have one with canelo..

Fyi -- Im pretty sure Hopkins vs. Winky and Taylor were not PPV's. Hopkins-Joppy was a PPV flop.

Shane Mosley only headlined PPV's as the B-side to Oscar. Im not sure what other PPV's you're referring to. The only other PPV he fought on back then, he was on the undercard.

I could go on but you get the point.

[HeroBando]

LMao... Morales, barrera, etc were much bigger draws that today's Golovkin or Ward..

Hopkins was drawing PPv dollars with dudes like joppy, taylor, winky..

Floyd was dicing up gatti

Shane headlined a bunch of PPVs

Who had a legitimate number of PPv draws,,, today you have one with canelo..

Boxing has gotten even less popular since, but most of those guys were still marginal draws. Floyd vs 4x Foty participant Gatti did like 350k. Iirc Pac Morales set a record at 350k below LW? GGG is a bigger draw than most of those guys already. That said, overall I agree, boxing is very lacking in star power right now, with main dude with questionable upside

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Fyi -- Im pretty sure Hopkins vs. Winky and Taylor were not PPV's. Hopkins-Joppy was a PPV flop.

Shane Mosley only headlined PPV's as the B-side to Oscar. Im not sure what other PPV's you're referring to. The only other PPV he fought on back then, he was on the undercard.

I could go on but you get the point.

Hopkins vs winky
Hopkins-taylor
Hopkins-taylor 2
Winky-tito
Tito-mayorga
Winky-hopkins
Hopkins-tarver

Mosely-vargas 1
Mosely-vargas 2
Mosely-cotto
Mosely-mayorga 1


All PPVs

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Boxing has gotten even less popular since, but most of those guys were still marginal draws. Floyd vs 4x Foty participant Gatti did like 350k. Iirc Pac Morales set a record at 350k below LW? GGG is a bigger draw than most of those guys already. That said, overall I agree, boxing is very lacking in star power right now, with main dude with questionable upside

Lmao... Floyd, morales, manny doing 350k+,,, double what Golovkin has done as the A-side,, yet ggg is the bigger draw... Lmao,, seriously, did you even watch boxing then....

How can one say people that did 350k+ are smaller draws than a guy that headlined one PPv that was below 200k.. Lmao

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Hopkins vs winky
Hopkins-taylor
Hopkins-taylor 2
Winky-tito
Tito-mayorga
Winky-hopkins
Hopkins-tarver

Mosely-vargas 1
Mosely-vargas 2
Mosely-cotto
Mosely-mayorga 1


All PPVs

Yes, yes you are absolutely right. Looking at that list...thank God the PPV model has been marginalized. Most of those should not have been on ppv.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Yes, yes you are absolutely right. Looking at that list...thank God the PPV model has been marginalized. Most of those should not have been on ppv.

Sad thing is, I bought ever single one of those PPv cards.. I even bought the espn PPv card with mosely, mccline, cintron-margarito 1... I'm a junkie

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Sad thing is, I bought ever single one of those PPv cards.. I even bought the espn PPv card with mosely, mccline, cintron-margarito 1... I'm a junkie

So did I although at some point (a few years after) I became far more selective. Can't believe GGG-Lemieux was a PPV.

[HeroBando]

Lmao... Floyd, morales, manny doing 350k+,,, double what Golovkin has done as the A-side,, yet ggg is the bigger draw... Lmao,, seriously, did you even watch boxing then....

How can one say people that did 350k+ are smaller draws than a guy that headlined one PPv that was below 200k.. Lmao

Those fights featured 2 HOFs with a built in fanbase. You know when you put in 2 Ppv draws together, it usually adds up to more than sum of the parts? Plus most of those guys couldn't sell out MSG AND the forum vs a no name