Is the Top Rank HBO partnership starting to show some cracks?

[TOBYLEE1]

Arum wants to sell **** fights and HBO is not buying especially at the rate they pay. Let Arum walk and lets see where he is going to get that kind of money

[Scipio2009]

So we all have seen it the last few months the subtle jabs from arum towards HBO about how they are not willing to spend money and there just is not enough air time for all the promoters and fighters. I just ask because I think we are at a breaking point in a good way. Even haymon is now working with pretty much anybody even GBP and HBO as we are seeing with the khan canelo bout and even the GGG fight.

The reason I ask this tho is Arum made it clear that he doesnt like how HBO tries to run a monopoly which is surprising to say the least with the haymon litigation and their partnership over the years and what not. It makes me wonder if top rank is about to cross the street again and start working with showtime or maybe another network as well.

In my opinion if top rank starts using hbo and showtime its better for boxing. When you have competing networks trying to out bid the other bigger fights seem to be made. it would also open up more avenues for his fighters and chances for fighters like crawford to fight guys he cant now.

This thread doesnt have a specific question just wanted to start a dialogue about how it seems like all the networks/promoters/managers are at a breaking point and something has to give as far as them working together. It seems like they all tried to goto hbo and blackball haymon but they are realizing their is not enough air time, money, or even top level fighters to truly work with hbo alone.

What do you guys think do you sense maybe some good things breaking soon? Or do you think the litigation against PBC and such is just to much to overcome and the the norm will continue?

Showtime doesn't want to work with Arum, especially after he ****ed them on their believed Pacquiao deal; to assume that that is an option for Top Rank doesn't jive with reality.

Bob Arum made his bed; **** on everyone else, and stick to his status as "house promoter" for HBO and the Spanish-language channel that he also puts his fights on.

Now, with HBO now opening doors to Golden Boy, K2, Main Events, and other outfits, the squeeze is on, with the new HBO head having no outright deference to Arum.

[Grimmer]

I'm all for the networks taking a stance and demanding the best fights possible from promoters and if the networks stand strong they'll win, and so will we.

[brettWall]

Arum has played this game before, but this time he has nowhere to go and HBO knows it.

Showtime is not an option for Arum unless he can make peace with Haymon. Nobody gets on Showtime without Haymon's blessing.

Haymon's plan to leave everyone that wasn't aligned with him fighting for scraps on HBO's shrinking island appears to be working well.

Doe, it's not just Arum.

Haymon has been letting his fighters fight on HBO. Showtime hasn't been making fights on a regular basis.

The sport is becoming a desert. It's drying up.

[Sweet Jones]

It started a year ago even before Peter Nelson took over. Since Arum can no longer get the money he wants he will give HBO mismatch fights and not his best fights until they open up the checkbook and pay up and us the fans will suffer watching mismatches on HBO

Arum is 100% "Take My Ball And Go Home" type of guy especially if he doesn't get what he wants

But Top Rank don't need HBO money because Arum is the new King of Macau, doe.

[Sweet Jones]

Top Rank nust be hurting, because Uncle Bob's gone from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOjTPa8O4Xs

to this (LINK):

Mike Coppinger @MikeCoppinger · 2h2 hours ago

Arum said ball is in Haymon's court. Says he wants to make the fights, lawsuit won't stop it.


Mike Coppinger @MikeCoppinger · 2h2 hours ago

Arum says he's willing to do @budcrawford402 vs. @AdrienBroner too. Says it only takes a phone call. #boxing


Mike Coppinger @MikeCoppinger · 2h2 hours ago

.@BobArum says he would do Santa Cruz vs. Lomachenko tomorrow. Says he will work with Haymon.

Mike Coppinger @MikeCoppinger · 2h2 hours ago

.@BobArum tells us on podcast @StephenEspinoza is a great boxing guy and he's interested in bringing fights to @SHOsports

[Mitchell Kane]

Arum is in a wierd place right now because the guys that look to be his biggest earners-Verdejo, Ramirez Loma and Valdez-are still a ways away from getting there.

April 9th will have some big implications for Top Rank's future.

With this being perhaps the last Pacquiao stage Top Rank will have, they need a good showing on the undercard from Gilberto Ramirez, Oscar Valdez and Jose Carlos Ramirez.

[The Big Dunn]

April 9th will have some big implications for Top Rank's future.

With this being perhaps the last Pacquiao stage Top Rank will have, they need a good showing on the undercard from Gilberto Ramirez, Oscar Valdez and Jose Carlos Ramirez.

I agree. Very smart of Bob to pony up the extra dough to get Ramirez/Abraham on the undercard.

[original zero]

Doe, it's not just Arum.

Haymon has been letting his fighters fight on HBO. Showtime hasn't been making fights on a regular basis.

The sport is becoming a desert. It's drying up.

If Khan or Wade lose, it doesn't hurt Haymon much. If they win, it hurts HBO big time.

Calculated risk.

[Nay_Sayer]

Now, with HBO now opening doors to Golden Boy, K2, Main Events, and other outfits, the squeeze is on, with the new HBO head having no outright deference to Arum.

This is the crux of Arum's problem - he actually has to *compete* with rival promoters for HBO's dollar. Who'd have thought such a thing?

LOL.