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  • Foreign Soil
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    #61
    Originally posted by LacedUp
    Everyone says Russia is dirty - can someone point me to evidence? Records will say tha America is 1000 times more dirty than Russia.
    More American boxers are on PEDs than anybody, not to mention the judges/refs are either crooked or are simply operating at a level of incompetence that you'd expect out of places like France and Italy.

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    • mick1303
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      #62
      Originally posted by about.thousands
      They'll give Haymon/Wilder what they want and use the RUSADA as spin. Although they'll be correct in doing so. Russia's whole Summer Olympic team may be banned from the Summer Games. I think it's perfectly reasonable for Wilder not to fight in Russia. Promoters are being beat up, former RUSADA officials are dying suddenly.
      Don't be naive. This ban on summer Olympics team is a purely political hand-twisting. The reply to Russia bombing out Turkey-supported "rebels", who were supposed to overthrow Asad. Russian athletes are doing roids no more and no less than everybody else (including Americans).

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        #63
        Originally posted by LacedUp
        Everyone says Russia is dirty - can someone point me to evidence? Records will say tha America is 1000 times more dirty than Russia.
        Most Russian Olympic Athletes Are Doping, Positive Tests Covered Up, Says German TV
        Up to “99 percent” of Russian Olympic athletes are doping and the Russian Athletics Federation (RAF) and the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) are covering up positive tests, according to a new investigative documentary.



        Athletics doping: WADA commission wants Russia ban
        Recommended that Wada withdraw its accreditation of the Moscow laboratory as soon as possible and advocated the permanent removal of its director Grigory Rodchenko, whom it accuses of asking for and accepting bribes and intentionally destroying samples he was told to keep.

        Found that a number of Russian athletes suspected of doping could have been prevented from competing at the London 2012 Olympics had it not been for "the collective and inexplicable laissez-faire policy" adopted by the IAAF and the Russian athletics federation.
        Russia should be suspended from athletics competition, a World Anti-Doping Agency commission report recommends.

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          #64
          Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
          Most Russian Olympic Athletes Are Doping, Positive Tests Covered Up, Says German TV
          Up to “99 percent” of Russian Olympic athletes are doping and the Russian Athletics Federation (RAF) and the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) are covering up positive tests, according to a new investigative documentary.



          Athletics doping: WADA commission wants Russia ban
          Recommended that Wada withdraw its accreditation of the Moscow laboratory as soon as possible and advocated the permanent removal of its director Grigory Rodchenko, whom it accuses of asking for and accepting bribes and intentionally destroying samples he was told to keep.

          Found that a number of Russian athletes suspected of doping could have been prevented from competing at the London 2012 Olympics had it not been for "the collective and inexplicable laissez-faire policy" adopted by the IAAF and the Russian athletics federation.
          http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/34765444
          The state of global boxing, especially in the US, is FAR worse than the state of the IAAF and the Olympics. There is a laughable amount of oversight in professional boxing, particularly with US Boxing Commissions, and ESPECIALLY in the area of drug testing. The only reason this Russia story is so prevalent, is because there was supposed to be a respectable hierarchy of oversight in athletics, which simply doesn't exist in Boxing.

          Global professional boxing is just as dirty, if not more, than Russian athletics..

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            #65
            They are not equivalent in the least. Saying it or wishing it was true doesn't make it so. You can't point to any examples of corruption to that extent in any drug testing body in the United States.

            Russia is so bad that even Wladimir Klitschko threatened to cancel the Povetkin fight if he had to undergo testing through RUSADA.

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            • techliam
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              #66
              Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
              They are not equivalent in the least. Saying it or wishing it was true doesn't make it so. You can't point to any examples of corruption to that extent in any drug testing body in the United States.

              Russia is so bad that even Wladimir Klitschko threatened to cancel the Povetkin fight if he had to undergo testing through RUSADA.
              Because there's no oversight on the same level. Who's there to watch over it (in regards to USADA?). In fact, it's not even a requirement that its used, with US boxing Commissions who have next to no oversight at all, being the main determinant in these cases. I believe Marquez was tested directly by one of these commissions, in the Bradley fight. It's not even the US i'm specifically aiming at, it's professional boxing as a whole.

              Athletics is governed by a singular world body, with big funding going into the relationship between state doping bodies/WADA and the IAAF (sadly corrupted), and the competing states. It's completely different to a private, promoter/individual sport like boxing, with at least 4 major world bodies, a **** ton of athletic commissions and a myriad of testing commissions, where it's not so hard to pick and choose the safest route. Now if we were talking about Olympic boxing, that'd be totally different and very comparable. It's just not logical, at all, to argue that because Russian athletics is beyond a joke, that its the dirtiest place for all sports. It has a fair few challengers in pro boxing, believe me..

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                #67
                USADA has to be WADA-compliant just as RUSADA does. The fact is that one of these drug testing organizations is in good standing in regards to those requirements while the other one is far from it.

                There is absolutely no equivalence between the two when it comes to following the rules that are in place.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                  USADA has to be WADA-compliant just as RUSADA does. The fact is that one of these drug testing organizations is in good standing in regards to those requirements while the other one is far from it.

                  There is absolutely no equivalence between the two when it comes to following the rules that are in place.
                  and strangely enough, it wasn't WADA that caught any of the scandal going on, it was ARD - a perfect manoeuvre on their part coming alongside numerous scandals within FIFA, and a huge anti-Russian sentiment in the current political arena.

                  I hope something similar uncovers the murky corrupt world of professional boxing, in all its guises and variations, soon enough.

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