Why do Floyd fans says the IV infusion was not illegal?

[Rath]

so you lied when you say you are quitting?

how many times have you lied before that and how many times are you planning to lie still?

keep the spanking going genius floyd fans

[original zero]

USADA said their officer "observed Mr. Mayweather's condition that precipitated the need for an IV."

I don't know the name of every nurse or paramedic that has ever treated me and even if I did, I would not publicly reveal the name of a private citizen that was just during their job.

I do know that I have often felt fine, only to feel dehydrated hours later. Before you feel dehydrated, you often feel fine. Hours later, you don't feel fine because you've become dehydrated.

USADA said Mayweather's condition precipitated the need for an IV and USADA approved Mayweather's exemption, which means they concluded the use of the IV was legitimate.

They haven't said exactly what you want them to say in the exact words that you want them to say it because doing so would violate HIPAA laws.

The private contracts of Manny & Floyd are not publicly available, but it is public knowledge that they agreed on VOLUNTARY protocols that went beyond the requirements of Nevada. Which means the length of time allowed for the filing of a TUE would have been agreed upon by both parties. Neither party is alleging that the protocol was breached, and further, neither party has taken action.

Water, salt and vitamin C are approved by the commision. Your ignorant and idiotic interpretation of that sentence is laughable. What is prohibited is injecting something that has not been approved. You can inject water. You can inject salt. You can inject vitamins. This has been confirmed publicly by the commission as well as in my private conversations with them. You're creating a controversy in your mind.

As USADA and others have noted, IV use for rehydration is VERY COMMON in Nevada and 100% allowed by the rules. *You* are the one claiming it's not allowed. Nevada says you are wrong. Nevada determines their rules, not you.

IV is 100% legal in Nevada, at all times, in any amount, for any reason, so yes of course it was legal the night of the fight.

The TUE had nothing to do with Nevada because an exemption is not needed in Nevada for an IV!

[Rath]

USADA said their officer "observed Mr. Mayweather's condition that precipitated the need for an IV."

There were no doctors among USADA officer authorized to know and certify just by observing floyd if he was dehydrated or not.


I don't know the name of every nurse or paramedic that has ever treated me and even if I did, I would not publicly reveal the name of a private citizen that was just during their job.

Well, you don't have to it's Floyd's team responsibility to do that.

So revealing names of people administering IV infusion is a no no now even if what they did was "LEGAL"


I do know that I have often felt fine, only to feel dehydrated hours later. Before you feel dehydrated, you often feel fine. Hours later, you don't feel fine because you've become dehydrated.

you are not an elite athlete with two of the best strength and conditioning coach in the business money can buy.

Floyd was not dehydrated at 146 even after 2 years lay off.

Floyd was not dehydrated @146 against maidana fight previous to Pac and not dehydrated @146 against berto after Pac.

why was he dehydrated in his entire career only against Pac.?

i thought you said it was an emergency life threatening kind of dehydration?

why wait for USADA officer to come and observed you when the situation calls for you being treated at the nearest hospital with credible medical staff whose names does not have to be secret.

USADA said Mayweather's condition precipitated the need for an IV and USADA approved Mayweather's exemption, which means they concluded the use of the IV was legitimate.

how did they approve something that Floyd has never applied for yet.

USADA said Floyd "Notified" them of his intention to IV.

is notiification and application one and the same?


As nouns the difference between notification and application is that notification is (uncountable) the act of notifying while application is the act of applying or laying on, in a literal sense; as, the application of emollients to a diseased limb.

They haven't said exactly what you want them to say in the exact words that you want them to say it because doing so would violate HIPAA laws.

The private contracts of Manny & Floyd are not publicly available, but it is public knowledge that they agreed on VOLUNTARY protocols that went beyond the requirements of Nevada. Which means the length of time allowed for the filing of a TUE would have been agreed upon by both parties. Neither party is alleging that the protocol was breached, and further, neither party has taken action.

Then where did you get all these blah blah blahs you were talking about?

Water, salt and vitamin C are approved by the commision.

if taken orally

Your ignorant and idiotic interpretation of that sentence is laughable. What is prohibited is injecting something that has not been approved.

how can NSAC approved it when Floyd has not even applied for it and that NSAC does not even know about it until 21 days later?


How can USADA/NSAC aprroved "saline and vitamin c" when USADA did not even bother testing the content of the IV bag?


You can inject water. You can inject salt. You can inject vitamins. This has been confirmed publicly by the commission

no you can not, if it's not approved yet (see comments above)

key word injected/injection. orally probably



as well as in my private conversations with them. You're creating a controversy in your mind.

As USADA and others have noted, IV use for rehydration is VERY COMMON in Nevada and 100% allowed by the rules.

if you are dehydrated in the first place which Floyd was not

*You* are the one claiming it's not allowed. Nevada says you are wrong. Nevada determines their rules, not you.

is Nevada and Nevada State Athetic Commission one and the same?

do they have same exact identical rules and regulations?

IV is 100% legal in Nevada, at all times, in any amount, for any reason, so yes of course it was legal the night of the fight.

Floyd and Pac agreed to USADA testing you said many times, therefore Floyd is now under WADA code not just exclusively NSAC and nevada rules.

Was these you say all legal in WADA Code?

The TUE had nothing to do with Nevada because an exemption is not needed in Nevada for an IV


It probably has nothing wrong with Nevada but is all wrong with WADA Code and Floyd is under contract/and agreement with PAC on USADA testing which operates under WADA CODE right?

this is what you have been ignoring or fail to understand since.

Floyd and Pac did not just fight according to NSAC rule.

They have an additional contract with USADA which operates unde WADA Code.

so why leave WADA code out of it and only emphasize on Nevada this Nevada that.

There should have not been any problem had Floyd agreed to Pac's request to just let the commission do its job 6 years ago.

No he wanted an extra Floyd style drug testing performed by USADA.

that extra testing have an etra liabilities to go with it right?

and that is Floyd abiding to WADA code and not just Nevada this and Nevada that.

Ignorant idiotic interpretations you say.!

spin it genius floyd fans

keep the spanking going

[original zero]

That is one of the reasons why retroactive exemptions exist. So that the proper experts can analyze the facts with the time and care necessary instead of a decision needing to be made right that second by a doping control officer.

Floyd's team does not have a responsibility to reveal the names of every medical professional that treats Floyd. That is absurd.

Please show me where I said it was a life threatening emergency. You make things up as you go along.

Nobody waited for an officer to come and observe Floyd. Floyd was already being observed that entire day.

They approved Floyd's exemption after it was filed. As agreed upon voluntarily by Manny & Floyd. USADA was notified before the IV and the application for excemption was filed a couple weeks later, as allowed by the voluntary agreement between Manny & Floyd.

We don't have the contracts, but we do know that nobody is claiming that the exemption was filed later than allowed by the contract. If the application wasn't filed within the timeframe agreed upon, Arum would have tried to void the exemption. The fact that Arum didn't even complain makes it very clear that everything was done by the books.

Floyd can afford the greatest doctors & lawyers that money can buy. Are you suggesting that they didn't apply in the allowable timeframe?

Again, you're reading the rules wrong. Call the commission yourself or hire an attorney yourself if you're reading comprehension is weak. Water is not prohibited. Salt is not prohibited. Vitamin C is not prohibited. You can't inject things that are prohibited! You can inject things that are allowed!

This is very very basic stuff. You're trying to tell me what Nevada's rules are and Nevada says you are wrong and every attorney I've spoken to says you are wrong.

NSAC is the athletic commission of Nevada. They act on behalf of the state. Do you not know how government works?

Floyd & Pac agreed to USADA supervision and USADA says Floyd did nothing wrong. Floyd & Pac were bound by the rules of Nevada and Nevada('s state athletic commission) says Floyd did nothing wrong.

You don't have a leg to stand on.

[Rath]

That is one of the reasons why retroactive exemptions exist. So that the proper experts can analyze the facts with the time and care necessary instead of a decision needing to be made right that second by a doping control officer.

yeah, but 21 days later? come on mate!

USADA needed only 2 days to approved it.

it was the application that took 19 days late.

Proper expert where not there when they granted him to use IV. why and how was that possible?

can the proper expert analyzes floyd retroactively if he was dehydrated or not. Proper expert got time machine that can go back in time for that situation?



Floyd's team does not have a responsibility to reveal the names of every medical professional that treats Floyd. That is absurd.

when did i say every treatment? we are just talking here about the person who administered the IV.

Please show me where I said it was a life threatening emergency. You make things up as you go along.

it probably was not you but some other genius floyd fan, hence their justification of can't wait for the TUE approval LOL

Now let say it was not threatening and not an emergency. would taking saline solution and vitamins c orally not good enough?

Nobody waited for an officer to come and observe Floyd. Floyd was already being observed that entire day.

did i not just presented to you 3 scenarios to choose what exactly happened that day?

again.

Scenario 1. USADA came to Floyd's house for the random drug test and caught Floyd administering IV without their knowledge.

Scenario 2. USADA came to Floyd's house for the random drug test, Floyd can not provide enough urine sampe so USADA said yeah Floyd you are dehdyrated go buy some IV and use it. (note in this situation Floyd is not aware of his dehydration, so paramedics or registered nurse are still not notified.)

Scenario 3. Floyd suddenly felt weak and realizes he is dehydrated, call, sms, email, tweets, instagram USADA to come to his house and check him out.(note: how long did it took USADA staff to get to Floyd house.observed floyd, said yes Floyd you are dehydrated go call paramedics registered nurse to administer you IV.)

Questions:

who was notified first USADA or Paramedics or both?

who brought the IV paramedics or floyd's team?

who decided it should be 750 ml? why not 1000ml or 850ml or just 500ml?

why did USADA never bother to test the content of the IV how do they know it was really just saline solution and Vit c?

why was no news about it Floyd lives on gated community and who comes in or out is logged on records at the gate.


a paramedic truck/vehicle is not common to seen so there should have been some news at least. 21 days and nobody knows what happened there expect Floyd USADA and that phantom secretive paramedic?


They approved Floyd's exemption after it was filed. As agreed upon voluntarily by Manny & Floyd. USADA was notified before the IV and the application for excemption was filed a couple weeks later, as allowed by the voluntary agreement between Manny & Floyd.

you ignore what i presented?

is being notified and an application for TUE one and the same?

USADA can not approve of something that has not been applied for yet.


We don't have the contracts, but we do know that nobody is claiming that the exemption was filed later than allowed by the contract. If the application wasn't filed within the timeframe agreed upon, Arum would have tried to void the exemption. The fact that Arum didn't even complain makes it very clear that everything was done by the books.

The reason why the TUE and the retroactive scheme happened the way it happened is eliminate any reaction protest or complain that Team Pac would probably lodge have they known about this IV on May 1st.

The fact that they learned all this 21 days later after the fight shows you that the plan works. Team Arum no longer has the need to react. it''s all done and over with.


Floyd can afford the greatest doctors & lawyers that money can buy. Are you suggesting that they didn't apply in the allowable timeframe?

the delay was intentional. how long did it took was not even a matter. it's just have to be after the fight when all is done and over with.

everything after that serves no purpose.

hence the question why even bother to apply? because Floyd was under WADA CODE that is why.

why 21 days? why not after a year? or 5 months after?

was it because there was a leak and that they learned hauser knows so suddenly Floyd applied for TUE that he does not have to in the first place



Again, you're reading the rules wrong. Call the commission yourself or hire an attorney yourself if you're reading comprehension is weak. Water is not prohibited. Salt is not prohibited. Vitamin C is not prohibited. You can't inject things that are prohibited! You can inject things that are allowed!

it's you comprehension and deflection that is wrong here.

Salt not prohibited check

Water not prohibited Check

But salt and water solution( Saline taken intravenously) is not just for dehydration purposes.

it is also known as a masking agent for PED use. and that is where the problem exist.

again you have not established Floyd was dehydrated in the first place so talking about this saline blah blah blahs is unnecessary really.

simple drinking water would suffice.

that what was Floyd doing all his boxing life right. or maybe not.?


This is very very basic stuff. You're trying to tell me what Nevada's rules are and Nevada says you are wrong and every attorney I've spoken to says you are wrong.

NSAC is the athletic commission of Nevada. They act on behalf of the state. Do you not know how government works?

The answer is as simple as yes or no, no need for this blah blah blahs.

Nevada State rules are for all people be them athlete or regular person.

NSAC are for specific people (athlete) that is why i asked you are their rules identically the same?

Floyd & Pac agreed to USADA supervision and USADA says Floyd did nothing wrong. Floyd & Pac were bound by the rules of Nevada and Nevada('s state athletic commission) says Floyd did nothing wrong.


Yeah, Floyd and Pac agreed that they would notify each other of any eventuality that has anything to do with the fight regarding USADA testing.

common sense would tell you inform/notify with in the fight time frame so that the other party can make necessary action about that information notification. not after the fight when the other party can no longer protest complain or do anything about it.

and that for you is legal.

and what leg are you standing on?

You don't have a leg to stand on.

still ignoring this?

if i give you a free ticket concert for you favoirte band that happened 21 days ago would you have any use of it or even accept it?

Spin it genius floyd fan

keep the spanking going.

[Godsfly]

d@mn.......the pacfans got wasted in this thread.


wtf

[Marvellous1]

The question of this dopey thread has been answered over and over. The IV was not illegal. It didn't contravene any laws of Nevada State, USADA testing rules or contract between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

This continued nonsense just makes certain Pac fans (I can't call them boxing fans) seem like big open emotion wounds that need therapy.

Either list the broken laws and take them to Bob Arum to start legal proceedings or write a letter to Cosmo magazine. The whining is just too much.

[original zero]

The fight was May 2. The application was submitted 17 days later on May 19. Lawyers typically don't work on the weekend, so the earliest they started was Monday May 4. Which means it took them two weeks to gather all of the facts and evidence and submit a comprehensive report.

We don't know if the contract required that the paperwork be submitted within 30 days or 60 days, but we do know that Arum took no issue with it and it's reasonable to assume that May 19 was within the timeframe agreed to in the contract.

Considering it involved a half billion dollar promotion, it's safe to assume that the doctors and lawyers involved meticulously prepared the exemption request, dotted all of their I's and crossed all of their T's, which explains why it was approved a day later. You're the one creating this controversy in your mind. Floyd did everything by the book.

Floyd's team does not have the resonibility to reveal the name of ANY medical professional that treats Floyd, although I heard he was treated by Dr. Biznuss (his friends call him Nunya).

I'm not sure why you continue to list these fantasy scenarios when USADA has already made it clear that the officer was with Floyd BEFORE the IV was requested. They were with him the entire day.

I'm not ignoring what you're presenting. I'm answering you over and over and you just don't like the answers. USADA was with Floyd, witnessed his condition, was there when the paramedic was called, was with him when the IV was administered, etc. So yes, they were notified in advance.

The required retroactive exemption paperwork was submitted a couple of weeks later so USADA could make an official ruling on whether Floyd was in compliance. They determined he was. Case closed. Since you can't get laid, you're whining about it a year later.

Manny & Floyd both had to sign off on the voluntary protocol and Manny was the one that requested that both parties be notified of exemptions being granted. If Manny wanted the paperwork to be filled out in a rushed haphazard manner, he should have negotiated a shorter allowable window.

If you believe NSAC should ban IV rehydration, write them a letter, but don't lie about whether they allow it or not. They allow it. Don't like it? Write them a letter.

I haven't responded to your "concert ticket" comparison because it's so ****** I refuse to believe you're seriously making that comparison.

Clearly 17 days after the fight USADA had a use for Floyd's exemption request because USADA needed to determine whether to grant his exemption or not. So if we know they had a need to examine his request, what does that have to do with a concert ticket that has expired? I wouldn't drink milk that's expire, but what does that have to do with anything?

You use a lot of words, but I don't think you know what they mean. Reading your posts is like getting a spam email about **** pills that was written by a robot.

[JrX]

Approved or not. He got away with it but what he cant get away from is the 750ml or whatever he used to obviously flush whatever he had in his system.

[original zero]

Approved or not. He got away with it but what he cant get away from is the 750ml or whatever he used to obviously flush whatever he had in his system.

IV, in any amount, at any time, was 100% legal in Nevada without any approval needed.

750ml is 25oz. approximately the size of a medium soda at mcdonald's. nothing exorbitant about that amount.

If you believe that Nevada should ban IV use, write them a letter.