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  • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
    Common sense would be to be consistent and call all that speculation but you both did not.


    If you followed, Manny was not sparring at one point in time. Now add that plus the below video and its quite clear that Manny had an injured right shoulder.


    LA Times interview BEFORE THE FIGHT -
    Roach said "We did 12 rounds of left hand only. The right hand was never used. Its about putting everything together."


    Video points out that he never heard of this type of training before except when a fighter is injured. Now we know why.
    Oops. Then there is this:



    @:52 Freddie Roach comments that recently in sparring, Manny Pacquaio has been favoring his right side too much, so he had him spar left handed.
    So what now? Are you going to say that Roach was lying YET AGAIN? lol.


    Question:
    How much time did Manny take off from sparring? Was it only 2 days? I don't know, so I'm just asking so that you can fill me in since you've been following.

    But here are some highlights from the video:
    1. He took off a couple of days from sparring because:
    A. He was overtraining
    B. He had concerns about giving blood for USADA

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    • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
      Sparring partners admit to that.
      Let’s look at this sparring partner who gave this information about Pac’s injury.

      His name is Dashon Johnson, who was an MMA fighter with a terrible record that led to him being dropped by UFC, and as a professional boxer had a record of 15-19-3.

      Apparently, he called up Freddie Roach and asked if he could be used as a sparring partner, claiming that he can emulate Mayweather’s style.

      There is speculation that Roach only agreed because he needed someone for Pacquiao to beat up on to gain confidence.

      So this is what he had to say before the fight:
      “Manny is looking unbelievable right now and honestly I don’t see the fight going the distance at all.”
      http://******.craveonline.com/news/3...howing-ko-form

      Now, what did he say after the fight?:
      We were asked not to mention anything to anyone, but yes, Manny got hurt during this camp and his right shoulder and it was messed up pretty bad."
      http://www.************.com/2015/05/...up-pretty-bad/


      So this guy that basically begged for a job is the main source of truth when it comes to this whole thing? Really? Can you believe this guy? Is this just more lies from someone on Team Pac?

      How about what other sparring partners for the Mayweather fight said, like Keandre Gibson?


      @3:57 — “We were there to spar with him, so they weren’t telling us no information….but I didn’t see there was no shoulder injury in camp.”


      So which is it? Were the sparring partners asked not to say anything, like Dashon Jonhson said, or were they not told anything at all and there was no sigh of a shoulder injury like Keandre Gibson said? Hmmmm.

      And it all falls apart!

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      • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
        There is so much that you do not know or understand.
        "First, swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

        "Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

        http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/

        With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.
        http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=...tor-cuff-tears

        Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
        No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

        Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
        No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

        http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwheal...RTC_Repair.pdf

        Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.
        http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-spo...20protocol.pdf

        No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery
        http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/doc..._Tenodesis.pdf

        No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery
        http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo...20protocol.pdf

        Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery
        http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/ro...ff-repair.html

        No swimming for the first 4 months
        http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rot...ond-the-basics

        No swimming for until months 4 - 6
        http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default...uff_Repair.pdf

        Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)
        http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/sh...tor-cuff-tear/


        I didn't find anything that said you may swim IN THE OCEAN at one month. If the least amount of time says 3 months, wouldn't swimming at one month be very difficult? Can you clarify what you know?

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        • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
          "First, swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

          "Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

          http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/

          With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.
          http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=...tor-cuff-tears

          Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
          No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

          Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
          No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

          http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwheal...RTC_Repair.pdf

          Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.
          http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-spo...20protocol.pdf

          No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery
          http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/doc..._Tenodesis.pdf

          No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery
          http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo...20protocol.pdf

          Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery
          http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/ro...ff-repair.html

          No swimming for the first 4 months
          http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rot...ond-the-basics

          No swimming for until months 4 - 6
          http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default...uff_Repair.pdf

          Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)
          http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/sh...tor-cuff-tear/


          I didn't find anything that said you may swim IN THE OCEAN at one month. If the least amount of time says 3 months, wouldn't swimming at one month be very difficult? Can you clarify what you know?

          I will respond more on this tomorrow but again, you are confused.

          I still need to read all that but you did this before so it appears to be the same thing now. Its like saying that you cannot play basketball or swim or other activities for many months BUT that does not mean that you cannot do that activity to help you with your rehab.

          What they are saying is, do not return to your (normal) activities for months but it does not mean that you should refrain. Of course, every case is different.

          WEIGHTS: They will tell someone not to go back to your regular activities for many months but that does not mean that you should not use small weights to get you back into it when they are doing their active rehab.

          Swimming: Swimming is a great way to rehab if done properly. Nobody is saying that Manny should do like what you are seeing in the Olympics. Just do aquatic rehab to get himself back into his normal range of motion and so on. Baby steps at first then he can progress.

          Again, all people handle it differently. All injuries are different.



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          Last edited by ADP02; 05-02-2016, 12:50 AM.

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          • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
            Let’s look at this sparring partner who gave this information about Pac’s injury.

            His name is Dashon Johnson, who was an MMA fighter with a terrible record that led to him being dropped by UFC, and as a professional boxer had a record of 15-19-3.

            Apparently, he called up Freddie Roach and asked if he could be used as a sparring partner, claiming that he can emulate Mayweather’s style.

            There is speculation that Roach only agreed because he needed someone for Pacquiao to beat up on to gain confidence.

            So this is what he had to say before the fight:
            “Manny is looking unbelievable right now and honestly I don’t see the fight going the distance at all.”
            http://******.craveonline.com/news/3...howing-ko-form

            Now, what did he say after the fight?:
            We were asked not to mention anything to anyone, but yes, Manny got hurt during this camp and his right shoulder and it was messed up pretty bad."
            http://www.************.com/2015/05/...up-pretty-bad/


            So this guy that basically begged for a job is the main source of truth when it comes to this whole thing? Really? Can you believe this guy? Is this just more lies from someone on Team Pac?

            How about what other sparring partners for the Mayweather fight said, like Keandre Gibson?


            @3:57 — “We were there to spar with him, so they weren’t telling us no information….but I didn’t see there was no shoulder injury in camp.”


            So which is it? Were the sparring partners asked not to say anything, like Dashon Jonhson said, or were they not told anything at all and there was no sigh of a shoulder injury like Keandre Gibson said? Hmmmm.

            And it all falls apart!
            All he said that he wasn't told of the injury and couldn't tell but did see that Manny was not the same Manny.

            So you only want to listen to people that coo berates with your speculation? That is not the way it works bud. One had information that the other did not. That is the only difference.

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            • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
              Oops. Then there is this:



              @:52 Freddie Roach comments that recently in sparring, Manny Pacquaio has been favoring his right side too much, so he had him spar left handed.
              So what now? Are you going to say that Roach was lying YET AGAIN? lol.


              Question:
              How much time did Manny take off from sparring? Was it only 2 days? I don't know, so I'm just asking so that you can fill me in since you've been following.

              But here are some highlights from the video:
              1. He took off a couple of days from sparring because:
              A. He was overtraining
              B. He had concerns about giving blood for USADA
              This was the other video I was going to show you but the other one explained it ..... that this is unusual training that is usually only done when someone is injured.

              Think about it. Takes time off from sparring, comes back and day 1, he spars with left hand only. Everyone thought it was an injury back then too. Now we know for what.

              Oh, what do you think that Roach would be telling reporters?
              "I do not want to lie because or else travestyny would think its not an injury because I lied. I must confess BEFORE the fight. Manny is injured. Now go tell this juicy information to Floyd"

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              • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                This was the other video I was going to show you but the other one explained it ..... that this is unusual training that is usually only done when someone is injured.

                Think about it. Takes time off from sparring, comes back and day 1, he spars with left hand only. Everyone thought it was an injury back then too. Now we know for what.

                Oh, what do you think that Roach would be telling reporters?
                "I do not want to lie because or else travestyny would think its not an injury because I lied. I must confess BEFORE the fight. Manny is injured. Now go tell this juicy information to Floyd"
                This is why PAC is being sued. Fans are pissed and he is trying to clean up and cover his loss with lies. Prior inconsistent statements will really make PAC look bad. PAC lied to his fans. He deceived so many decent hard working people with his pre fight or post fight lies. Either way, he lied!

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                • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                  I will respond more on this tomorrow but again, you are confused.

                  I still need to read all that but you did this before so it appears to be the same thing now. Its like saying that you cannot play basketball or swim or other activities for many months BUT that does not mean that you cannot do that activity to help you with your rehab.

                  What they are saying is, do not return to your (normal) activities for months but it does not mean that you should refrain. Of course, every case is different.

                  WEIGHTS: They will tell someone not to go back to your regular activities for many months but that does not mean that you should not use small weights to get you back into it when they are doing their active rehab.

                  Swimming: Swimming is a great way to rehab if done properly. Nobody is saying that Manny should do like what you are seeing in the Olympics. Just do aquatic rehab to get himself back into his normal range of motion and so on. Baby steps at first then he can progress.

                  Again, all people handle it differently. All injuries are different.
                  .
                  Have you ever thought that maybe YOU are confused? The websites are crystal clear. One even lists the two different types of rotator cuff repair, and it clearly says NO SWIMMING. What you are confused about (or really, how you are trying to spin this) is that aquatic rehab is NOT swimming. If all of these medical websites that specialize in rotator cuffs say no swimming, and Manny Pacquiao says he never saw a doctor or went to rehab, how do you think you can shift this from him saying he was swimming to him doing aquatic rehab? It makes no sense. This is just more deflection from you and you know it. You should also note that, especially for a rotator cuff, it's less likely that anyone would recommend this kind of rehabilitation in the ocean rather than in the pool. He had no doctor present and NEVER went to rehab or saw a doctor about rehab, as per his own words. This clearly wasn't aquatic rehab.

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                  • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                    All he said that he wasn't told of the injury and couldn't tell but did see that Manny was not the same Manny.

                    So you only want to listen to people that coo berates with your speculation? That is not the way it works bud. One had information that the other did not. That is the only difference.
                    hahahaa. So this walk-on who begged for a job was given the information, but the other guy wasn't. Furthermore, this walk-on was already caught in a lie saying that Manny was ready for a KO, and then it becomes his shoulder was injured very badly. Then, we also have this walk-on saying that WE were told to keep quiet about the injury , yet the other sparring partner clearly says nothing was ever mentioned. Finally, the walk-on, once again, stated that the shoulder was messed up badly, yet the other sparring partner goes on record saying he didn't notice anything wrong with the shoulder at all.

                    Yeaaaaaaaaaa. You refuse to see what is right in front of your face. Give it up. It's time for you to admit that there is something not right about this. Think about who has more to gain...the walk-on, or the other guy?

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                    • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      This was the other video I was going to show you but the other one explained it ..... that this is unusual training that is usually only done when someone is injured.

                      Think about it. Takes time off from sparring, comes back and day 1, he spars with left hand only. Everyone thought it was an injury back then too. Now we know for what.

                      Oh, what do you think that Roach would be telling reporters?
                      "I do not want to lie because or else travestyny would think its not an injury because I lied. I must confess BEFORE the fight. Manny is injured. Now go tell this juicy information to Floyd"
                      Roach didn't have to tell anyone anything at all. Sparring was to be held behind closed doors. He could have kept quiet about sparring and in the event that anyone finds out, let them speculate what they want. By putting it out there, he could have people speculate that there was an injury, right? (which is by the way NOT what the author of your video did. He said the only time he's heard of people boxing with one hand is during the actual fight when they have an injury, NOT during training). So how does that make sense? Does it make sense to offer up information that can lead to someone speculating that there is an injury when you can take a chance that sealing the gym will be enough?

                      The Wild Card gym will be sealed and tightly guarded as Manny Pacquiao begins sparring for his boxing history's biggest, richest fight.

                      "We can't have spies in the gym," said Roach, who has put up extra security in and around his famous Hollywood gym.

                      http://www.philstar.com/sports/boxin...d-closed-doors

                      Seems like he did a lot of work to keep sparring a secret. This wasn't about him putting out info to throw people off of an injury. Pacquaio sat out 2 days of sparring at that point. TWO SESSIONS. Roach stated why he did it, the sparring partner said he didn't notice any problem with Pac's shoulder, there is video of Manny shadow boxing 1 week out throwing right hooks with no problem. Again, you really aren't thinking about this clearly. OPEN YOUR EYES!

                      Now we have:
                      1. Before the fight - Video of a sparring partner states he didn't notice anything wrong with Manny's shoulder during training camp. This sparring partner has nothing to gain by throwing Manny under the bus. The other sparring partner begged Roach for a job and said WE were told to keep quiet about the injury, but this lie was not corroborated by the other sparring partner.

                      2. During the fight - No viable evidence of the injury.

                      3. After the fight - Lots of su****ious activity by Pac caught on video and in pictures. Lots of lies from Pac's team and odd declarations.

                      4. Medical organizations clearly stating swimming is not to be done as early as Manny was doing it.


                      It's over man. Give it up. This is crystal clear.

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