who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

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This is why PAC is being sued. Fans are pissed and he is trying to clean up and cover his loss with lies. Prior inconsistent statements will really make PAC look bad. PAC lied to his fans. He deceived so many decent hard working people with his pre fight or post fight lies. Either way, he lied!

More than likely,
They thought that they can fight thru the pain by controlling it with some meds. I'm sure they did just that during training camp to see how he felt. Manny thought he was good to go. Then just before the fight, their plan goes bad (cannot use meds) and then its way too late. Fight must go on at that point.

[ADP02]

hahahaa. So this walk-on who begged for a job was given the information, but the other guy wasn't. Furthermore, this walk-on was already caught in a lie saying that Manny was ready for a KO, and then it becomes his shoulder was injured very badly. Then, we also have this walk-on saying that WE were told to keep quiet about the injury , yet the other sparring partner clearly says nothing was ever mentioned. Finally, the walk-on, once again, stated that the shoulder was messed up badly, yet the other sparring partner goes on record saying he didn't notice anything wrong with the shoulder at all.

Yeaaaaaaaaaa. You refuse to see what is right in front of your face. Give it up. It's time for you to admit that there is something not right about this. Think about who has more to gain...the walk-on, or the other guy?

Your speculations are getting crazier and crazier. So all the sparring partners had to know everything? Beggar? Can you show us all this proof?

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Roach didn't have to tell anyone anything at all. Sparring was to be held behind closed doors. He could have kept quiet about sparring and in the event that anyone finds out, let them speculate what they want. By putting it out there, he could have people speculate that there was an injury, right? (which is by the way NOT what the author of your video did. He said the only time he's heard of people boxing with one hand is during the actual fight when they have an injury, NOT during training). So how does that make sense? Does it make sense to offer up information that can lead to someone speculating that there is an injury when you can take a chance that sealing the gym will be enough?

The Wild Card gym will be sealed and tightly guarded as Manny Pacquiao begins sparring for his boxing history's biggest, richest fight.

"We can't have spies in the gym," said Roach, who has put up extra security in and around his famous Hollywood gym.
http://www.philstar.com/sports/boxin...d-closed-doors

Seems like he did a lot of work to keep sparring a secret. This wasn't about him putting out info to throw people off of an injury. Pacquaio sat out 2 days of sparring at that point. TWO SESSIONS. Roach stated why he did it, the sparring partner said he didn't notice any problem with Pac's shoulder, there is video of Manny shadow boxing 1 week out throwing right hooks with no problem. Again, you really aren't thinking about this clearly. OPEN YOUR EYES!

Now we have:
1. Before the fight - Video of a sparring partner states he didn't notice anything wrong with Manny's shoulder during training camp. This sparring partner has nothing to gain by throwing Manny under the bus. The other sparring partner begged Roach for a job and said WE were told to keep quiet about the injury, but this lie was not corroborated by the other sparring partner.

2. During the fight - No viable evidence of the injury.

3. After the fight - Lots of su****ious activity by Pac caught on video and in pictures. Lots of lies from Pac's team and odd declarations.

4. Medical organizations clearly stating swimming is not to be done as early as Manny was doing it.

It's over man. Give it up. This is crystal clear.

Your speculations are getting wilder and wilder and with NO PROOF!


"FightHype also points out that Roach, Pacquiao's trainer, told Seconds Out in mid-April that he had to send someone home from Pacquiao's training camp because the person had a preexisting connection with Mayweather. When asked to clarify whether there had been a mole in the camp, Roach said, "Yeah." "

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You misunderstand. The point is not that Arum is presenting it in a way to portray that the doctor thinks it is impossible. The point is that it clearly shows that the doctor is amazed, shocked, blown away, any other synonym that I listed before because Manny's recovery is beyond even what the doctor thought it could be at that stage. With everything else that took place before the fight, during the fight, and after the fight, doesn't that hit you as even a little bit fishy? Arum knows that the statement Pac made and the activities he did are super fishy, and he knows Pac would be attacked and this statement shows that even he couldn't defend his actions. What else could he say??? That the doctor admits it's a crock of ****? No. He said that Manny seems fine, the doctor said it's incredible and needs to see it for himself. There was really no where else left for him to go with it, and it reeks of su****ion.


Are you talking about what he said after **** hit the fan? What did he say in the midst of all of this shoulder scandal? I'm not interested in damage control.


Damage control (def.) - action taken to limit the damaging effects of an accident or error.


Again, you misunderstand. I asked what YOU thought the statement meant. You said he meant that his scar was healed. You know damn well that he didn't mean that, so you provided a ****ty scenario that is laughable. No one took it to mean that, so why is your scenario relevant at all? You know damn well what he meant, but you deflect by saying I have to ask him. His statement is clear. There is no reason to ask him. You can interpret Floyd's statements, but when it comes to Manny's statements, you become a dumb dumb?


I can answer why it would be a good thing:
Damage control (def.) - action taken to limit the damaging effects of an accident or error.


The video of Manny playing basketball was before this visit to the doctor. He then rejoined the league and played full contact afterward because he doesn't care what people like me think or what people like you think. Is he going to sit around pretending to heal when he is fully capable of doing what he loves? That would be boring. Arum found out that he couldn't count on Manny to continue the charade. Manny thought "**** everyone, I'll do what I want. I can always say God healed me."


So you admit that Manny was not going to rehab early on? I thought you quoted Roach as saying he talked to the doctor that was doing rehab with him. This was at the time that Pac went on record saying he wasn't doing rehab. So, are you now admitting that Roach was lying?

He was "doing it on his own," perceivably by swimming in the sea. And when you read that, it just sounds like no problem, huh?


Again, you misunderstand the point. I don't care why he lied. The point that I am bringing up is that he clearly lied. There is a pattern of lies with his team from Arum, Roach, to Manny himself. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you, because the lies are right in front of your eyes.


Have you been paying attention??? It's not just what Manny said. It's the visual proof that shows something is amiss. You have no ground to stand on when all of the evidence is presented to you together.


You are confused. We are talking about after the surgery, not living with and dealing with the injury. At the stage that he should have been just beginning to restrengthen his shoulder, he is in a photo raising a flag over his head. His arm is clearly raised over his head. No sling. Mind you, this is one month out. You can't spin this **** any way you try. You better stay away from rehabilitation guidelines for this surgery.


1. Oh Dr. ElAttrache, was it a full partial rotator cuff tear (actually 1.5 tendons as he stated in the video), or a partial rotator cuff tear (that apparently he told the injury analyst that interviewed for ESPN)?

2. He was given pain killers before? Ok. He loves Toradol apparently

3. He went to a doctor before because of it? Hmm. He stopped sparring. Ok. After the fight, his sparring partners say it was because of the shoulder. Question is, can you believe his team that tells so many lies?

4. USADA knew about the drugs he was using. Yep, they did. They didn't need to know why he was using them, nor did they ever say they knew why. They stated the drugs were not illegal and let him have at them. I don't see why this is important to bring up.


You are still talking about severe dehydration, which is first of all not the issue. We've gone through this already. What you have to prove is that he didn't have a condition that would cause IV rehydration to be more effective than oral dehydration. Did you prove that? If you did not, you have failed.


hahahahahahaha. Give me a break. He says my shoulder is done and that's it? No one mentioned it again, it doesn't effect him using it, no one mentions it until Arum gets him alone? Riiiiight. Do I have to give you the definition of damage control again?


Wowwwww. You are really something. I said I don't remember Manny saying anything about not being able to throw effective punches in the post fight interview because HE DIDN'T SAY THAT!

Second, Floyd said he had people giving him reports from Manny's camp. Roach said he had people giving him reports from Mayweather's camp. Let's get that out of the way first. Second, Floyd, though he went on record saying he knows what Manny was doing in camp, has always denied hearing anything at all about a shoulder injury. Why would he admit he knew everything that was going on (which is a pretty stand up statement) yet get so pissed when people try to bring up the shoulder injury? You believe this lie by Manny?



Wowwwwww. Everyone who watched that fight can clearly notice Mayweather complaining about the shoulder. Do you deny this? Why are you playing ******? (I hope you are playing ******).


There was no deflection. Did Manny stop throwing the right? Yes or no? Look at the 6th round and tell me what you see. By the way, this is AFTER he apparently tore one ligament completely and half of another one. What do you see, buddy?



Limit your movement? I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Wrong because they do not even think like you.
Playing basketball with his left hand was not a big deal. You think that they were trying to cover up something but if you check out it all out, Roach brings up that Manny is playing some basketball, Manny plays, before, during and after. So that in itself kills what you are even trying to claim.

If a lie shoots everything down the why do you even care about Floyd's doctor's note? Floyd lied. So that note will be something fabricated. Right? It should put that whole IV scandal into question even for YOU!!! HA!

You still have yet to show us anything that makes one say "That's not possible". NOTHING. Risky? Well, Manny played basketball just before his $80 million pay day. Would people risk doing that? AMAZING? IMPOSSIBLE? DIDN'T Happen? It all happened. Manny roles like that.


You also had a picture of Manny raising his hands and making claims that this couldn't have been possible. The doctor said do not go by that. Only a pretend internet doctor thinks that is always the case.


Range of motion exercises: WHoever can, they say should do them. Its a good thing if you can. Initially passive then active ones.


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From the list, he also tried PRP which promotes healing.
Actually, the NSAC didn't allow any of the drugs including Lidocaine/Xylocaine which is pretty much what Floyd used to use for his fight prior to numb his hands. I'm sure you are OK with that since its Floyd. Again, not only Torodal but NSAC refused Lidocaine/Xylocaine.

The point is that the drugs were known and also reported on the pre-fight form and mentioned to NSAC BEFORE the fight. Once the NSAC asked his doctors if he was good enough to go in the ring without the drugs then they had to decide. It was not their plan. Maybe if they knew that information earlier, they would have postponed the fight. Who knows. Too much money on the line to back out. That plus it may be the only chance they get to fight Floyd. You avoid the most probable causes of all this and speculate on something that is so far out there that I can just laugh at.

[Zaroku]

More than likely,
They thought that they can fight thru the pain by controlling it with some meds. I'm sure they did just that during training camp to see how he felt. Manny thought he was good to go. Then just before the fight, their plan goes bad (cannot use meds) and then its way too late. Fight must go on at that point.

Equally likely PAC is just a liar. Who misled the world before or after the fight!
More than likely.

[ADP02]

My statements have been consistent.

I believe this injury was exaggerated, if it existed at all. I also believe he had a "surgery.

" What I don't know is if it was to repair a partial tear or to go in and look around and pretend something was done. I wouldn't be surprised if most boxers at his stage in their career have some tear in their shoulders. However, his injury does not fit the bill as a full thickness rotator cuff tear, much less 1.5 tendons.

You said you were consistent?

Sure you were consistent:

"No one is that dumb to believe he really had an injury except his fans."

"I never said he didn't have surgery. I believe I did say that the injury was greatly exaggerated, if there were one."

Floyd's IV scandal vs Manny's injury: So you went from a guy who needed to have all the facts and Anything less would constitute it being speculation to speculation is OK because its about Manny.

Then you bring up quotes on Manny and call that a lie but never did that when it was about Floyd's lies. Right?

Now the above quotes from you. Your quotes are not believable.


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Equally likely PAC is just a liar. Who misled the world before or after the fight!
More than likely.

I gave lots of possible scenarios including that he may have lied.

What would you have done if it meant possibly the only chance fighting Floyd and getting $80 million? Its not an easy position.

I have done what Manny did (play injured) for free!

[Zaroku]

I gave lots of possible scenarios including that he may have lied.

What would you have done if it meant possibly the only chance fighting Floyd and getting $80 million? Its not an easy position.

I have done what Manny did (play injured) for free!

I faked being sick to avoid a day at work, because I wanted to stay home and ****!

I even had to fake an illness when I met an ugly j girl. But, only after I ****ed her!

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I faked being sick to avoid a day at work, because I wanted to stay home and ****!

I even had to fake an illness when I met an ugly j girl. But, only after I ****ed her!

That's a good reason.

[travestyny]

You said you were consistent?

Sure you were consistent:





Floyd's IV scandal vs Manny's injury: So you went from a guy who needed to have all the facts and Anything less would constitute it being speculation to speculation is OK because its about Manny.

Then you bring up quotes on Manny and call that a lie but never did that when it was about Floyd's lies. Right?

Now the above quotes from you. Your quotes are not believable.


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Brother, it's been 1 year. I think this is a perfect time to say you believe what you believe, and I believe what I believe. Neither one of us will change each other's mind. I do respect your opinion, and I respect you as a valued member of this forum. I'll likely miss this convos with you, and there will be times that I'll want to continue on this convo, but it's clear that it's time to move on.

If I see you around the forum, I'll give a holla. Hopefully we'll run into each other soon, and maybe be on the same side of an argument. The way we drag **** out, not many will stand a chance :P. Until then, bruva Ciao!