who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[ADP02]

how does this ped related thread relates to:

the pac floyd fight?

the nsac & usada?

vegas & the media?

Floyd: Just like in the ring, Floyd uses a lot of loopholes and A side power to influence the decisions being made.

IV: Floyd was given all the advantages including being allowed to get an IV when its clearly illegal and from what we know as information he was not in a position to be granted the IV.

Manny: I didn't know how severe that Manny was concerning his shoulder injury. I knew it was not a good injury to have but it appears that it was worse than I thought.

The fight: Happened 5 years too late. It should have happened at least prior to the Marquez KO. Still, when analyzing the rounds and how the judges scored it, one can easily find a few rounds where they gave it to FLoyd but could have and in some cases should have given it to Manny. Starting with round 3. That was Manny's round. That would make it 115-113. Look at some others .... Plus, one guy had an IV, the other guy was refused to get his meds and fought injured.

technical fight: Wished for more action but FLoyd slowed it to a crawl due to the constant holding, headlocks, pushing down on Manny and so on. Still, there was some good technical fighting.


NSAC/USADA/MGM/Ref/judges: Hometown guy is Floyd and he had the advantage. Floyd should have had hard warnings, as stated by the commentators. It was too much and negatively impacted Manny since he is the one who is relying on offense even though his defense was very good.
Dave Morretti continues to be Floyd's go to judge. Something like 9 out of 11 past fights he is Floyd's judge.
Kenny Bayless would not deduct a point from Floyd but is quick to pull the trigger on someone like Maidana. Go watch just before that, Floyd was elbowing at will but no deductions!

So to say, Manny was going in that fight with little chance to win fairly. So perhaps for that reason, Manny's team's game plan was wrong. Maybe Manny had no choice due to the injury, I do not know but he should have been more offensive minded but the plan was to fight a technical fight. 5 years ago, that game plan would have been clearly different!


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[ADP02]

A damn good fight just went off.straight action...but of course ya'll are posting about this bull****..smh

I was not aware .... busy watching NHL hockey playoffs actually.

[travestyny]

Like I have been saying from the start. Just think its Floyd IV Mayweather and the information will all come to you.

Where did you get that he was fully recovered at 3 months? I showed you what was said in late September and October. He was 80-90%!!!

Secondly, lots of websites I went to said that you can do passive exercises just weeks after and active exercises after that ....


What would you have said if this was Floyd? I can start with this:

"The flag was not heavy. The rod looks plastic."


Sorry but you have been very inconsistent with this so I'm having lots of difficulty with the new travestyny. The old one would not be speculating like this. The old travestyny would say that he would take what the doctor said in October over what a guy on the internet is speculating.

So as you can see, we have a conflict here between "OLD" travestyny vs "NEW" travestyny. Will the real travestyny please stand up!



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I told you where I got that he was fully recovered. It's because he said he was fine, everyone that covered the interview used the exact words "fully recovered", the uploader of the basketball video wrote "fully recovered", he was waving a flag, playing basketball, and going scuba diving in months, some in about just one month! And you believe him.

Lol. Well there isn't any need to go any further, is there? There was an article written about that flag waving incident, seriously questioning this issue because of it. If you really think this is all legit, have at it. Manny could have walked out of surgery and immediately hit you with a right hook, and you'd defend him. Carry on.

[Dosumpthin]

Originally Posted by Dosumpthin

Would have the NSAC denied FLOYD's request for a the****utic use exemption to rehydrate intravenously ?

If yes, please explain why AND post the NSAC rules that Floyd violated to support your claim.

Historical fact: Manny was denied using a non-prohibited substance.

Historical fact: NSAC said that USADA knows that they cannot be approving TUEs in the state of Nevada.

NSAC clarified their position on IVs, retroactive TUEs and had told USADA that USADA cannot be approving TUEs in the state of Nevada but did.

The NSAC may have denied just like they denied Manny and Manny's was for a non-prohibited substance!

So now its your turn .... GO!

OFFICIAL COLOR GUIDE 2.0


RUMOR/MISINFORMATION = purple

SPECULATION/OPINION = blue

MISCONCEPTION/IRRELEVANT = orange

FACT= red

Try using your head and not your heart to answer the question with verifiable facts.

You still have not posted any relevant factual information that supports your claim.

[ADP02]

I told you where I got that he was fully recovered. It's because he said he was fine, everyone that covered the interview used the exact words "fully recovered", the uploader of the basketball video wrote "fully recovered", he was waving a flag, playing basketball, and going scuba diving in months, some in about just one month! And you believe him.

Lol. Well there isn't any need to go any further, is there? There was an article written about that flag waving incident, seriously questioning this issue because of it. If you really think this is all legit, have at it. Manny could have walked out of surgery and immediately hit you with a right hook, and you'd defend him. Carry on.

So a video with no direct physical stats or examination that says recovered means Manny was fully recovered yet the articles from a doctor who has results from an MRI and physically examined Manny in late September/early October saying Manny is 80%-90% healed slips right by you? That is not being consistent again!

Go check it out. Lots of sites also bring up passive then active activities to stimulate the healing and then continue with a more aggressive approach once the person has more mobility and is out of the sling.

[ADP02]

Historical fact: Manny was denied using a non-prohibited substance.

Historical fact: NSAC said that USADA knows that they cannot be approving TUEs in the state of Nevada.

NSAC clarified their position on IVs, retroactive TUEs and had told USADA that USADA cannot be approving TUEs in the state of Nevada but did.

OFFICIAL COLOR GUIDE 2.0


RUMOR/MISINFORMATION = purple

SPECULATION/OPINION = blue

MISCONCEPTION/IRRELEVANT = orange

FACT= red

Try using your head and not your heart to answer the question with verifiable facts.

You still have not posted any relevant factual information that supports your claim.

You just cannot handle facts then.

NSAC says that USADA cannot be approving TUEs in the state of Nevada. Start with that fact. The rest is easy once you can understand that.

[Dosumpthin]

You just cannot handle facts then.

NSAC says that USADA cannot be approving TUEs in the state of Nevada. Start with that fact. The rest is easy once you can understand that.

Lets start.

Yes, it is a fact that NSAC "said" this. It is a fact that NSAC does not have to recognize a USADA tue, or any ADO tue. NSAC only cares about NSAC rules therefore NSAC wants NSAC APPROVED tues. FACT. Wada agrees. All signatories must follow. FACT.

Athletes are required to remain in compliance with both sets of rules - wada and THE GOVERNING BODY which is nsac in this case.

Floyd was granted a tue by usada to remain compliant with WADA rules. It is up to floyd to apply to NSAC for a NSAC tue for IV use.......but it wasnt needed. Iv is not banned in the state of nevada.


You refuse to offer any factual information that proves iv use was banned by NSAC. We all know you, or anyon else has tried but, cant. The logic would require NSAC to penalize Mannys use of PRP injections and we all know pact@rds dont want that.



So all we have is you clinging on to a statement taken out of context as if it somehow proves floyd is a ped cheat. Lol.
Desperate pact@rdism.



Nsac has the liberty to "say" whatever they want to. But an organization "speaks" through its actions. NSAC, the governing body, has not taken action against Floyds IV use. FACT.


Understand?

[travestyny]

So a video with no direct physical stats or examination that says recovered means Manny was fully recovered yet the articles from a doctor who has results from an MRI and physically examined Manny in late September/early October saying Manny is 80%-90% healed slips right by you? That is not being consistent again!

Go check it out. Lots of sites also bring up passive then active activities to stimulate the healing and then continue with a more aggressive approach once the person has more mobility and is out of the sling.

Dude, do you think I'm ******? You aren't fooling anyone. You mention that he had an MRI and was physically examined when he said he is 80-90% healed. HE SAID he is 80-90% healed. This had nothing to do with the MRI, so don't try to spin this into some medical finding. Try that with someone else.

So first he was fine and healed by God. Then after this blows up in his face, he says he is 80 - 90% in late September. And you buy this? Of course you do.

If he's 80-90% in late September, how is he doing this after one month of surgery in June?:
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He's playing basketball in 3 months, swimming in less time than that, and waving a flag over his head in one month, yet you don't find a problem with any of this? Of course you don't.

Let's look at another video from our good doctor. Notice that in the "causes" section, they show activities that cause rotator cuff problems. Which two activities appear in this section: SWIMMING AND PLAYING BASKETBALL. He even expands on why a sport like basketball is particularly troublesome for rotator cuff injuries.

@:45






So do your passive activities include waving a flag over your head one month after surgery, swimming, and playing basketball? Please, link me to this information so that I can read it. Really. I'd love to take a look at what type of activities they approve for one month after surgery!!!

He swam a lot, and swimming is often used for rehab. Do you think swimming is a good idea as the primary rehab method for a full thickness rotator cuff tear? Here is one answer:

"It would appear that the short answer to this question is no. There are two ways to look at this negative answer: first, swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/

By the way, this website has nothing to do with boxing or Manny Pacquaio, so don't try to claim any type of bias.

Now that I've had a good laugh looking at the good doctor's video and reading that last article, I'd like to share with you some more fun things you should take a peek at. Enjoy your delusion.

"However, Pacquiao claims that he is now 100 percent healthy, despite never going through with surgery on his shoulder."
http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/0...n-rotator-cuff

So, yeah. Pacquiao essentially is saying his shoulder — which was expected to take nine to 12 months to heal — is magically better thanks to God and a little bit of salt water.
Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/08/manny-pacqui...after-surgery/

Manny Pacquiao, the only fighter in history to win eight world titles in different divisions, raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from a torn rotator cuff suffered during his fight against Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas last May.
http://www.philstar.com/sports/2015/...ulous-recovery

During the 2019 FIBA World Cup bidding event in Tokyo last week, Manny Pacquiao defiantly raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from surgery for his torn rotator cuff injury.
http://openinground.com/article/mann...-his-shoulder/

Manny Pacquiao’s troublesome shoulder is fully recovered if his Instagram feed is anything to go by.

The boxer posted an image of him waving his country’s flag to mark Philippines Independence Day on Friday.
http://gulfnews.com/sport/boxing/man...-day-1.1533876

[ADP02]

Dude, do you think I'm ******? You aren't fooling anyone. You mention that he had an MRI and was physically examined when he said he is 80-90% healed. HE SAID he is 80-90% healed. This had nothing to do with the MRI, so don't try to spin this into some medical finding.

So first he was fine and healed by God. Then after this blows up in his face, he says he is 80 - 90% in late September. And you buy this? Of course you do.

If he's 80-90% in late September, how is he doing this after one month of surgery in June?:


He's playing basketball in 3 months, swimming in less time than that, and waving a flag over his head in one month, yet you don't find a problem with any of this? Of course you don't.

Let's look at another video from our good doctor. Notice that in the "causes" section, they show activities that cause rotator cuff problems. Which two activities appear in this section: SWIMMING AND PLAYING BASKETBALL. He even expands on why a sport like basketball is particularly troublesome for rotator cuff injuries.

@:45






So do your passive activities include waving a flag over your head one month after surgery, swimming, and playing basketball? Please, link me to this information so that I can read it. Really. I'd love to take a look at what type of activities they approve for one month after surgery!!!

He swam a lot, and swimming is often used for rehab. Do you think swimming is a good idea as the primary rehab method for a full thickness rotator cuff tear? Here is one answer:

"It would appear that the short answer to this question is no. There are two ways to look at this negative answer: first, swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/

By the way, this website has nothing to do with boxing or Manny Pacquaio, so don't try to claim any type of bias.

Now that I've had a good laugh looking at the good doctor's video and reading that last article, I'd like to share with you some more fun things you should take a peek at. Enjoy your delusion.

"However, Pacquiao claims that he is now 100 percent healthy, despite never going through with surgery on his shoulder."
http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/0...n-rotator-cuff

So, yeah. Pacquiao essentially is saying his shoulder — which was expected to take nine to 12 months to heal — is magically better thanks to God and a little bit of salt water.
Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/08/manny-pacqui...after-surgery/

Manny Pacquiao, the only fighter in history to win eight world titles in different divisions, raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from a torn rotator cuff suffered during his fight against Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas last May.
http://www.philstar.com/sports/2015/...ulous-recovery

During the 2019 FIBA World Cup bidding event in Tokyo last week, Manny Pacquiao defiantly raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from surgery for his torn rotator cuff injury.
http://openinground.com/article/mann...-his-shoulder/

Wrong.

While the preference was to go back to see his doctor in USA, Arum had asked to get an MRI and report from a doctor and a clean bill of health or else Arum would not be putting Manny in fight before his upcoming elections. So Manny got the MRI and saw a doctor but was not at 100%. Months later, Manny did see Dr. ElAttrache who gave him a go ahead to train and fight.

Article on September 21, 2015: "Arum to Pacquiao: No checkup, no fight."






Again, what happened to the "old" travestyny? You killed him or something? That travestyny would have called you delusional, speculating, being an internet doctor from his home with PJs on. Laughed just like I laughed when you said Manny was fully healed . Most importantly, the "old" travestyny would have waited until Manny's doctor said he was fully healed at 3 months and it was a miracle. Meaning, not possible without divine intervention. Then laughed at the "new" travestyny and provided him with articles, pictures of what a real doctor who actually verified Manny said. The doctor said that Manny was 80-90% healed around early October.

So again, the biggest problem that I have is your inconsistencies.




That video discusses how one can get the injury. The doctor does not say to avoid doing those activities.

Manny did not have an open incision from what I saw. It was an arthroscopic repair so it was less invasive. What I read, you do this type of repair "if the tendon quality remains robust". That is also what Manny's doctor concluded about Manny.


Dr:"In Manny's case it was a sizeable tear but the tissue was healthy, it was replaced back to its place ... and the type of repair that was performed in his situation was extremely strong.

REporter: How was the muscle?

Dr: Very good, very healthy. So all those things that we really look for to determine seriousness or severity were not there for Manny....





Here is more on Manny's doctor just a few weeks after the surgery.
Doctor expected much more out of Manny than you did but he also knows, every patient is different and only time can tell how well the patient does. Still, whatever you stated, the below covers all that or at least close to.

"He wanted to avoid a re-injury, so we proceeded with the surgery. He had healthy tissue and bone and suturing was very easy. We performed a type of arthroscopic repair that I developed…one which has shown to be the strongest type of rotator cuff repair we have today.”

“So far his postop period is going well. He is in the Philippines and I will see him in a couple of weeks. If he wants to continue boxing then I see no reason why he can’t get back in the ring. Our goals for this early phase are for the repair to settle and to avoid damaging the suture tendon portion of the repair. We are allowing early motion, but not enough to stress the repair. Range of motion (ROM) is limited over the first 6 weeks; then we go for full ROM and begin strengthening at about 12 weeks. I will allow him to begin training in 6 months and he should be able to compete in 9-12 months.”




Furthermore, I just checked a bit more on who this doctor is. While I'm not going to say its impossible to buy this guy out because one word I learned is never to say impossible but logically speaking:
1) Why would Manny go to a top renowned doctor to not perform surgery?
2) Wouldn't it have been much easier to just get some (fake) doctor in Manny's own country to be bought off EASILY and like FLoyd did, not even have to name the doctor, perhaps? Well, not naming the doctor, that would be too su****ious, as is the case with Floyd. But you know what I mean.
3) Why would this doctor who has a lot of fame and is well respected want to fake a surgery?

Here is some stuff about Dr.:
Dr. Neal ElAttrache is an orthopaedic sports medicine surgeon at the Kerlan Jobe Orthopedic Clinic and is chairman of the Kerlan Jobe Orthopedic Foundation. His awards include selection by America’s Top Doctors, Best Doctors in America, Becker’s Orthopedic and Spine Review and “Top 10 Super Surgeons” by Baseball Prospectus. He has held leadership positions in the American Orthopedic Society for Sports Medicine and American Shoulder and Elbow Surgeons. A head team physician for the Los Angeles Dodgers, he is a consultant for players in the NFL, NBA, MLB, PGA and NCAA. Example, Anaheim Mighty Ducks, St. Louis Rams, Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings and the PGA Tour.


Published In:

Southern California Super Doctors 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2008/2009




You on the other hand, without even a doctor's name and Floyd thanking Dr Ariza, and everything pointing to Floyd not requiring an IV, you say something like this, "I need to see the note from this (fake BS) doctor".

Again, I said think Floyd.
Floyd said that he was "extremely dehydrated" and said it was due to giving urine and workouts. You said that for something as simple as dehydration "Floyd is not a doctor. It does not count". Manny giving a remark on something as complex as a rotator cuff that requires MRI's and much more from a qualified doctor and you are going on what Manny said NOT WHAT a DOCTOR SAID months later "Manny is 80 -90 % healed".

Like I even told you and now you even admitted, YOU DO NOT TRUST Dr. Neal ElAttrache but you will trust no name Floyd's doctor?

Like I said, you have been very inconsistent. If at least you remained consistent. While I may have disagreed with you, at least it would have been a more respectable position to have taken. Now you lost all credibility. Sorry.



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[ADP02]

Sorry but this is NSAC who has said this. So you are saying that they are ******ed? Got it!

USADA has no authority to approve TUEs in Nevada.

NSAC: The NSAC is the "Sole authority" on TUE approvals ..... USADA is a testing organization not a TUE approving organization in the state of Nevada



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Lets start.

Yes, it is a fact that NSAC "said" this. It is a fact that NSAC does not have to recognize a USADA tue, or any ADO tue. NSAC only cares about NSAC rules therefore NSAC wants NSAC APPROVED tues. FACT. Wada agrees. All signatories must follow. FACT.

Athletes are required to remain in compliance with both sets of rules - wada and THE GOVERNING BODY which is nsac in this case.

Floyd was granted a tue by usada to remain compliant with WADA rules. It is up to floyd to apply to NSAC for a NSAC tue for IV use.......but it wasnt needed. Iv is not banned in the state of nevada.


You refuse to offer any factual information that proves iv use was banned by NSAC. We all know you, or anyon else has tried but, cant. The logic would require NSAC to penalize Mannys use of PRP injections and we all know pact@rds dont want that.



So all we have is you clinging on to a statement taken out of context as if it somehow proves floyd is a ped cheat. Lol.
Desperate pact@rdism.



Nsac has the liberty to "say" whatever they want to. But an organization "speaks" through its actions. NSAC, the governing body, has not taken action against Floyds IV use. FACT.


Understand?

I like this statement better than your previous ones because at least I see you put some effort this time.

BUT whatever you said still does not answer the question of USADA just cannot be approving TUEs in the state of Nevada. NSAC said that process always needs to go thru the NSAC. Why? NSAC is the "sole authority" on TUE approvals. You know what "sole authority" means right? Only one. Nobody else. USADA can only take care of testing in Nevada.

Also, just because you think something does not make it a fact. Manny wanted to use something that was not even banned. Manny got the approval from USADA to use it. What happened? Manny was not allowed to use it.

Initially NSAC wanted to take action against Manny too. Maybe once they found out about Floyd's IV scandal, they stopped all investigations. It would open a can of worms for not only Floyd and Manny but to boxing, USADA and the NSAC .....


NSAC clarified its position on all this stuff. They had already told USADA what they can and cannot be doing in Nevada. They do not even particularly like these BS retroactive TUEs and has actually a tougher stance than you think with all of this.



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