who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[ADP02]

I'm noticing a pattern. Whenever you have nothing of substance to add, you revert back to your "you don't get it" scenario, which simply means you have nothing for anyone to "get." Did I ask you what a partial sample is? Nope. I asked for you to logically answer the question. This is very simple.

1. You believe that Mayweather used the IV to mask PED use.
2. Mayweather gave a partial sample of urine from before the IV use.
3. How do you think that would affect his ability to cheat the drug test? If he were masking PED's, would that make him more or less likely to pass the test?

The clear answer is that it would make him LESS LIKELY to pass the test.

Now let's talk about logic.
Why would Mayweather, who is planning on masking PED use with an IV, ever give a partial urine sample from before the IV? Wouldn't a cheater just claim not not be able to give urine and then give a full sample from after the IV?

Also, as you claim that USADA was bought out by Floyd, why would they take urine from before the IV? Wouldn't they simply wait? Furthermore, why would Floyd even have to mask PEDs if USADA is bought out? You try to fall back on your "some are paid off, some aren't, and he has to be cautious" scenario, yet you give no explanation for the need of paying off a corporation that you still have to trick. It's not logical.

These are questions that you have no logical answer to that will fit your agenda. You try to fall back on dehydration when you are clearly having a difficult time making the quantum leap to PED use.

You said that "I fall back on hydration".

Well that has always been the biggest problem for me. You are even admitting that it has been a big issue for me. The reason that I bring it up is that it didn't make sense for Floyd to be given an IV. Its on the prohibited list meaning its illegal. The rules state that and state to use an alternative. You came back with no evidence that points to Floyd requiring an IV and said that its not your problem but now you want me to come up with the exact way that Floyd cheated?
The red flags are there but like I said in the past, only Floyd can tell you exactly what he was doing and who helped him.


Floyd dragged out the testing process to about 6+ hours. Then only when he was good and ready did USADA get what they wanted. Not the first time he has done that. Was Floyd micro-dosing and was delaying intentionally to be extra sure that his results passed? Quite possibly. It wasn't because he was severely dehydrated and needed an IV. The evidence point to the contrary.

USADA/Floyd and company:
You pretty much answered it for me but are too stuck in your own web. If Floyd is getting help from some members of USADA then can you actually believe anything they are saying? You keep on saying but Floyd said that so it must be true or USADA said that so it must be true and yes even NSAC said that so Floyd is in the clear. So you are saying, to listen to the cheats lie so we can clear them?


Lance Armstrong fans spoke just like you. I said this before and will say it again, Lance was still caught with a positive test.

Going by your logic that should not have happened if Lance paid off all those people. Right? Lance was actually investigated during those years. So there was no way that the UCI, doctors, organizers, and so on were helping Lance. Right? If that was the case, he wouldn't even have been investigated. ooops, that only applies to the Nevada boxer named Floyd!!!

Lance was also cleared by the equivalent of USADA/NSAC. Lance and his fans used that to create a fake shield instead of question.

So stop saying its not possible or it can't be because like I said, there are examples that point to the opposite of what you are saying.

[layton]

You would think its simple.


Being that floyd is the face of boxing he is associated with all things that are wrong with the sport. Majority of the "conspiracies" would hold true to boxing as a whole.

Look at this whole iv issue. Its pretty standard in combat sports and was something that was heavily debated prior to thomas hauser article.

But people just want floyd so bad you cant even logically reason with them anymore. Its crazy.

Vampire facial? Is that how he beat manny? Manny was in awe at floyds beauty and prevented hin from landing more than 3 punches in the first three rounds?



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i'm not a big fan of Mayweather, but, i dont for one minute trust any form of testing in boxing, it's not done out of competition, so gives fighters the chance to cycle off then start the so called random testing, load of b******* really. until boxing have one governing body to oversee and make rules on this (which will never happen) imo, then they can all claim to be clean, and maybe they are don't get me wrong, but, to me it's only the ones that are badly advised that get caught, as in the cycle off period was calculated wrongly, as in the case of say Tarver. People will always sound off on Mayweather and ped's because he does seem dodgy, but, they also let their hearts rule their minds with silly accusations that are baseless and could be said about all the fighters they themselves perceive to be clean, when the fact is, random testing for fights proves the fighter has been clean for 8 weeks, maybe 12, given that most fighters only fight twice a yr these days that leaves a massive amount of time in which they can do what they want, all a loed of he said/she said to me, never going to prove it one way or another unless dumb enough to be caught.

[Dosumpthin]

i'm not a big fan of Mayweather, but, i dont for one minute trust any form of testing in boxing, it's not done out of competition, so gives fighters the chance to cycle off then start the so called random testing, load of b******* really. until boxing have one governing body to oversee and make rules on this (which will never happen) imo, then they can all claim to be clean, and maybe they are don't get me wrong, but, to me it's only the ones that are badly advised that get caught, as in the cycle off period was calculated wrongly, as in the case of say Tarver. People will always sound off on Mayweather and ped's because he does seem dodgy, but, they also let their hearts rule their minds with silly accusations that are baseless and could be said about all the fighters they themselves perceive to be clean, when the fact is, random testing for fights proves the fighter has been clean for 8 weeks, maybe 12, given that most fighters only fight twice a yr these days that leaves a massive amount of time in which they can do what they want, all a loed of he said/she said to me, never going to prove it one way or another unless dumb enough to be caught.

Agreed.

Lets not overlook that by fighters implementing testing agencies that adhere to wada code is a huge step in the right direction. Its not year round testing, but its more effective than NSAC urine test.

Truthfully i dont know if its practical for proffesional boxers on the center stage to submit to year round testing. Maybe amateurs, but big name boxers fight maybe once a year? What about someone like maidana or ward? Should they be required to adhere to wada during their down time?

Olympians, for example are competing more frequently throughtout the year in multiple events. So year round testing makes more sense. Even then, as someone repeatedly pointed out, lance armstrong was able to consitently test negative for banned substances ....so really how effective is it?


Bottom line, drug testing agencies are a deterrent, similar to a car or a house alarm system. Some cost more and work better than others, but your **** can be stolen.

[Lester Tutor]

Even then, as someone repeatedly pointed out, lance armstrong was able to consitently test negative for banned substances ....so really how effective is it?
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They weren't checking for EPO or other forms of blood doping during his reign. However, in the times that he would test positive for a substance they would compare it to later test and ruled out that perhaps it was an error. This was the advantage of blood doping, however, since then, WADA had implemented new protocols to detect blood doping or EPO. Also, it was many other cyclists that admitted on the procedures how to do and ratted on him.

Fast forward to May 2 weeks 2015 with the heaviest testing on boxing done, and Top Rank, HBO, and the BWAA have a fit because of the spotlight and loss to Floyd they make up if boxing can trust USADA and only advocate VADA with trollers being gullible to dialogue that it's "cheaper.." Lol

Yeah Floyd reaped the benefits of blood doping the way Lance, Pac, did as his performances was just fierce offense.

[Dosumpthin]

Classic blood doping is either infusing blood with oxygen and injecting it back in, injecting extra blood extracted and stored previously, or most often both.

Under your interpenetration of the rules blood doping is legal because oxygen and/or your own blood are not drugs.

But we know you are wrong and ****** because IV re-hydration and blood doping are both cheating for the same reason. Its an artificial way to increase your body's capacity to hold an essential nutrient that improves performance. This is especially true in weight classification sports like boxing as the practice allows competitors to re-hydrate to a degree not physically possible in the time between weigh-in and competition.

Funny. Manny listed Platelet-rich plasma (PRP), whish is blood plasma injection that has been enriched with platelets, as one of the medications on his pre fight questionare.

Its Wada approved.


Is it safe to say mr proffessor md, given your interpetation of "blood doping" that manny is a BIGGER cheater than floyd? Rehydration vs putting your blood in a centrifuge.... .hmmm....


Who did you vote for in the polls?

[ADP02]

Fast forward to May 2 weeks 2015 with the heaviest testing on boxing done, and Top Rank, HBO, and the BWAA have a fit because of the spotlight and loss to Floyd they make up if boxing can trust USADA and only advocate VADA with trollers being gullible to dialogue that it's "cheaper.." Lol

Yeah Floyd reaped the benefits of blood doping the way Lance, Pac, did as his performances was just fierce offense.

You said it was the "May 2nd, Heaviest testing done in boxing?"

Where they allowed the Nevada fighter named Floyd:
- do something that is banned.
- Plus he delayed the procedure for 6+ hours!
- Lied (perjury) by not filling out the pre-fight form correctly and signing it then saying he had a medical condition that required something that was banned.

Yet not even an investigation just to make sure that everything was on the up and up. While for the same fight, someone was getting investigated for mistakenly checking a checkbox where the athlete wasn't even planning to take a banned substance nor did he.


Lance had to hide , delay and smuggle to take an IV. Floyd did it all in the open .... that's what a Floyd fan would call "heavy testing"


Heavy

[ADP02]

Funny. Manny listed Platelet-rich plasma (PRP), whish is blood plasma injection that has been enriched with platelets, as one of the medications on his pre fight questionare.

Its Wada approved.


Is it safe to say mr proffessor md, given your interpetation of "blood doping" that manny is a BIGGER cheater than floyd? Rehydration vs putting your blood in a centrifuge.... .hmmm....


Who did you vote for in the polls?

Hold on bud. So now you are saying that a blood transfusion makes you a "BIGGER cheater".


Yes but Manny put it on the form. Did Floyd? Hmmm ....

and Manny was for an injury (had surgery) ..... Floyd was to make his eyes look pretty just before training camp.

Which one would you believe?

[Dosumpthin]

Hold on bud. So now you are saying that a blood transfusion makes you a "BIGGER cheater".


Yes but Manny put it on the form. Did Floyd? Hmmm ....

and Manny was for an injury (had surgery) ..... Floyd was to make his eyes look pretty just before training camp.

Which one would you believe?

I clreary said based on his interpetation of "blood doping" you should read the.whole post in its entirety. Just like the wada rules and everything else. How many times are you going to take something out of context to fit your agenda?

[Zaroku]

I clreary said based on his interpetation of "blood doping" you should read the.whole post in its entirety. Just like the wada rules and everything else. How many times are you going to take something out of context to fit your agenda?

In slow motion.... With both eyes closed.... PAC is God...

These guys don't post on non PAC/Floyd threads...

They live and die with their Pinoy Boy Toy PAC!!!

WAR Honesty!!!

[ADP02]

I clreary said based on his interpetation of "blood doping" you should read the.whole post in its entirety. Just like the wada rules and everything else. How many times are you going to take something out of context to fit your agenda?

You said this (context: who is a bigger cheat) :
"Rehydration vs putting your blood in a centrifuge.... .hmmm...."

Why did you say that then? Floyd did both BTW


Keeping it in context you should have said this: Rehydration by way of an IV is prohibited meaning illegal while PRP is legal according to WADA.

The reasons for the IV are very fishy. That is why it should not have been given. Nobody has explained how there was a need for the IV when all experts said there are better ways to rehydrate and that a TUE is not given out like lolly pops. For Floyd that is exactly what they did!!!

Explain?