who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Spoon23]

BS thread...

With that said, only one of these guys has documented flags from testing.

You mean Floyd. Yep. Only him.

[Lester Tutor]

Naah to this day no smoking gun are factual proof Pac did cheat. Nothing. All hearsay. On the other hand, Floyd and Marquez has tons of evidences to incriminate them. Google is your friend.

"Hearsay..." is Roach the best influenced cliche available?

When you reach about 70, hopefully - and i truly hooe you do, but youll realize that acting like a b!tch was a waste of time. But of course it's a free world. Idolize in dogmatic or idiotic fashion.

[Zaroku]

Naah to this day no smoking gun are factual proof Pac did cheat. Nothing. All hearsay. On the other hand, Floyd and Marquez has tons of evidences to incriminate them. Google is your friend.

In a parallel Universe PAC has knocked out both Marqueq and Myweather at the same time, in the same fight while downing Ariza Power Boost Shakes.

I wonder how a guy like PAC got tattoo's when he hates needles. His excuses were red flags.

All three are users.

[Reloaded]

"Hearsay..." is Roach the best influenced cliche available?

When you reach about 70, hopefully - and i truly hooe you do, but youll realize that acting like a b!tch was a waste of time. But of course it's a free world. Idolize in dogmatic or idiotic fashion.

Dont forget this is what you are dealing with talking to Spoon .

[Spoon23]

In a parallel Universe PAC has knocked out both Marqueq and Myweather at the same time, in the same fight while downing Ariza Power Boost Shakes.

I wonder how a guy like PAC got tattoo's when he hates needles. His excuses were red flags.

All three are users.

Not a single record that Pac was saying that. Arum said that not him. Google is your friend.




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[Zaroku]

Not a single record that Pac was saying that. Arum said that not him. Google is your friend.




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Roach said it too. Do you really believe PAC was clean his whole career? But anyone who beat him wasn't?

Do you think Marquez was dirty when he crushed PAC??

PAC isn't the same without Ariza. Memo & Ariza are buddies.

You offering me head?? Drop that gay emoticon.

[Spoon23]

Roach said it too. Do you really believe PAC was clean his whole career? But anyone who beat him wasn't?

Do you think Marquez was dirty when he crushed PAC??

PAC isn't the same without Ariza. Memo & Ariza are buddies.

You offering me head?? Drop that gay emoticon.

Huh? Google it if you think he said it. Roach said about the Ariza shakes but not needles. Arum said needles. Pac never said he is afraid of needles. Afraid of being blood drawn and fighting weak is what he said.

There are hearsay and there are facts.

Google is your friend.

Is Michael Jordan a PED users since he can jump higher than most nba players?

If you say yes, then that's hearsay. If you say just because he went up too many divisions he must be taking peds. That again is hearsay.

It becomes not hearsay when there are paper trail of facts showing a man took illegal substance. Now those are smoking guns.

Eg.

Written by: amirkhan's #1fan


Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Top Ten Massive Red Flags That Point To Doping / PED Use (!
Mayweather was sued by Pacquiao. When Pacquiao's lawyers motioned to subpoena his drug test results, medical records, and contracts with USADA, Mayweather quickly settled the case and paid out a large sum of money in order to keep the requested information private. If Mayweather was clean and wanted to clean up the sport of boxing, why not offer full transparency?

Mayweather has a medical team, which is bizarre since no boxer should have his own medical team. Strength and conditioning coaches, yes. Nutrionist and personal chef, yes. Medical team? Absolutely not.

Mayweather was the subject of an explosive report that indicates that he failed 3 drug tests. Mayweather doesn't go to much length at all to deny this report, opting for the say-nothing-and-it-will-go away option. Mayweather accused Pac of being on PEDs. Pacquiao sued him. And WON.

Mayweather tested 2X for having testosterone-to-epitesterone levels of .8 and .6, a massive red flag that points to doping. Usually when this happens, CIR testing is done as a follow up. Not only did USADA not follow up, but they refuse to do CIR testing because they deem that it is too expensive. VADA charged $16,000 for Provodnikov-Matthysse w/ CIR testing. USADA received $150,000 upfront from Team Mayweather for the Pacquiao fight. Red flag, red flag, red flag.

Mayweather rejected VADA testing. If clean, why reject the use of a qualified and effective testing agency that has caught people and is without controversy?

Mayweather rejected a $5 million dollar fine for a positive result. If clean, why not just agree to it? It literally costs nothing and is an excellent insurance for both fighters.

Mayweather had USADA send out an agreement to Team Pacquiao that allowed a TUE to be retroactively granted in the event that a fighter tested positive for a prohibited drug. This agreement also ludicrously stated that neither the NSAC nor the opposing camp had to be notified. Mayweather actually wanted it in writing that he was allowed to dope.

Mayweather was seen by a doctor and approved and declared fit for combat on the day of the weigh in. If he was dehydrated, nevermind severely dehydrated, the doctor would have noticed it. And Mayweather himself signed off on being 100% ready and fit for combat in 24 hours.

Mayweather had banned fluids totaling 750 ML administered in the privacy of his home and was then given approval for a TUE (The****utic Use Exemption) close to 3 weeks after the fight. Mayweather received these fluids mere hours after a doctor had cleared him and deemed him ready for competition.

Mayweather does "vampire" facials, a cosmetic procedure that involves a reinjection of a gel-like substance—platelet rich fibrin matrix (PRFM)—derived from a patient's own blood back into multiple areas of the skin of their face to treat wrinkles. If Floyd's taking blood out of himself to reinject into his face, blood doping is certainly not something he would shy away from.
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[Zaroku]

Huh? Google it if you think he said it. Roach said about the Ariza shakes but not needles. Arum said needles. Pac never said he is afraid of needles. Afraid of being blood drawn and fighting weak is what he said.

Google is your friend.

I have been talking about shakes! Wake up!! Please Spoon! You are embarrassing yourself a little.

You are Lost, blinded by a desire to be PAC.

I voted Floyd cheated, we are cool. No proof needed
I say Marquez cheated, we are cool. No proof needed

I say PAC cheated, you go ballistic Slow motion video of him cheating is needed.

[Spoon you are biased beyond belief. [

Fellow boxing fans please correct my flawed logic.

Spoon, thinking is your friend.

[Spoon23]

Zaroku,

All you have are speculation no hard proof on Pac. It is a compliment to him to say he must have cheated to do super human feats.

But was it really super human?

http://ringobserver.com/2015/10/06/h...-drug-slander/


Henry Armstrong’s Career Defends Manny Pacquiao from Mayweather Drug Slander

By Scoop Malinowski The boxing world has had to listen to Floyd Mayweather and his band of slandering accomplices defame and smear Manny Pacquiao as a drug cheat for several years without any defense. For years this virulent smear campaign against Pacquiao has manipulated a great number of boxing fans to suspect Pacquiao of using drugs despite not a shred of evidence, and despite the fact that Pacquiao successfully sued Mayweather and his band of slanderous accomplices, so that Mayweather threw in the towel and settled the case with Pacquiao’s lawyers for quite a hefty sum.

This issue shows how if one corrupt individual concocts a ****** lie and repeats it over and over, with some help from bought-and-paid for media puppets, and some prominent boxing figures like Paulie Malignaggi who will say whatever his puppetmaster Al Haymon want him to say, the public easily can be influenced to believe a complete hoax.

Let me illustrate: the great Henry Armstrong turned pro at the age of eighteen in 1931 with a TKO 3 loss to Al Iovino (bet you didn’t know Hammerin’ Hank lost his pro debut) in North Braddock, PA, weighing 120 pounds – when Manny Pacquiao was eleven days shy of his eighteenth birthday he had a fight and weighed in at 111 (Pac debuted at age sixteen and weighed 106) Okay, there’s a little discrepancy there, but it’s doubtful Armstrong, born in Columbus, Mississippi, lived in such poverty like Pacquiao that he was forced to share a bowl of rice with five siblings as his one meal a day growing up in the Philippines.

Let’s continue: At age 23 Pacquiao weighed 122 for two fights in 2001 – Armstrong weighed 126 for a fight the week before his 23rd birthday (TKO Alton Black in Reno). There are several other parallels between Pacquiao and Armstrong – both stood 5-5 1/2 inches tall and both had 57 inch arm reaches – and both were born in December – Pac on the 17th in 1978, Hank on the 12th in 1912. Armstrong’s career was far busier than Pacquiao – Hank’s final ring record when he retired in February of ’45 at the age of 32 was 150-21-10 with 101 knockouts – for his last fight Hank weighed 141 1/2 pounds – Pacquiao, who is still active as a pro today at 36 with a record of 57-6-2 (38 KOs), had two fights at age 33 in 2011 and weighed 143 vs Marquez and 145 vs Mosley. Armstrong was a former Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight (held all three belts simultaneously for short time in ’38) and had several fights where he weighed in in the mid 140s.

While it’s been scrutinized with su****ion about Pacquiao retaining his punching power as he moved up to welterweight, Armstrong also was able to maintain his hitting force into the higher weights – in his final full year as a pro, Armstrong fought eighteen times in the welter and sub-welter range and recorded ten stoppage wins in those eighteen contests in ’44.

So the logical conclusion is that Pacquiao and Armstrong, of very similar physical structure and size, both progressed similarly as men and reached their peak full physical maturity at around the same age at the same weight of around 145 – Henry Armstrong was certainly not a steroid or performance enhancing drug user and Pacquiao has never been involved with or linked to drugs or drug coaches, unlike a prime suspect like Mayweather, who has employed the known steroid expert Angel Heredia for himself and his promotional company TMT (two TMT boxers have tested positive for using illegal drugs). Heredia has openly boasted in an interview with Speigel Sport that he personally knows how to create over twenty different steroids which are undetectable to doping testers.

Adding further to su****ions about Mayweather apparent use of performance enhancing drugs, is the fact that he refused a subpoena to reveal three alleged positive tests of his own as part of the Pacquiao defamation lawsuit – and also no less image damaging is the recently reported information about Mayweather’s illegal IV the day before the Pacquiao fight of May 2 of this year, which was covered up by the Nevada Commission and USADA – this IV is suspected to have been used to mask illegal steroids in Mayweather’s body. (Since the story broke, the mainstream media has largely ignored it.)

Also thought-provoking is the fact that Mayweather hired Pacquiao’s former fitness and nutrition coach Alex Ariza, who has had plenty of time and motive to reveal any dirty secrets he may have had with Pacquiao but apparently there is nothing Ariza has to conceal about his work with Pacquiao, because Mayweather and Al Haymon surely would have amply rewarded Ariza to spill the dirt to assassinate Pacquiao’s reputation and character, which they first aspired to do back in 2009. As we know, the truth can be distorted, buried, hidden, disguised but … the truth cannot be killed.

And as time goes by, the facts and evidences show that Manny Pacquiao is a clean athlete and always has been a clean, honest athlete, while Floyd Mayweather is beginning to look more and more like he could very well be the establishment fraud, created and protected and maintained by the power and money hungry establishment — not much unlike the embarrassingly pathetic example of cycling’s former hero turned international shame – Lance Armstrong

[Robbie Barrett]

Refusing testing is almost as good as admitting to cheating. Especially when your reasons for refusing are so weak.