who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Lester Tutor]

I like how IV theorists never bring up Oscar De La Hoya vs Pac. lol best fail. Thomas Hauser went Kaddafi and Bin Laden ala dork style...

#48. and ''thug life...''

[_Maxi]

Can you pass along the video of Mayweather admitting he knew about Pacquaio's injury?

By the way, Pacquaio:

Never complained about the injury in the corner.

Never had a shoulder rub in the corner.

Never grimaced in pain.

Never stopped using the right hand.

Raised his arm in "victory."

Didn't go to rehab.

Was cured by saltwater and a steady regimen of basketball.

Yea... ok.

And I would like to know how many "experts" believed he won. Do you mean Skip Bayless?

You ended up being such a ****** biased fanboy. But I'll respond anyway. Get the facts as they were.

About the fight result. What can you do against the status quo? not much, but at least some major diaries wrote a story about watching the replay and seeing that Pacquiao had outlanded Mayweather: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...-decision.html

On the same subject, you have for example Holyfield and Mosley (amongst a lot others, just search) saying that they saw Pacquiao win or close fight:

“The fact of the matter is, you’re the more aggressive one, you hit him with the shots… Pacquiao seem to hit him (Mayweather) more times than he hit Pacquiao,” said the four-time heavyweight boxing champion.

When asked if Pacquiao should have won the super fight, Holyfield said: “I totally thought he did.”

“I actually thought Pacquiao was doing well. I don’t know how people scored the fight, I thought he was doing well,” he said.

http://sports.inquirer.net/180700/ho...-vs-mayweather

"That's crazy. I don't know how in the world... I don't know how they score that."

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/5/3/...ee-boxing-news

The fix was in. It's clear as day when one of the judges scored only two rounds for Pacquiao when Pacquiao outlanded Mayweather in most rounds.

If you believe the compubox bullsheet, which I concluded here Mayweather fans tend to believe more it's accuracy, then you are the m0r0n. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=700302

Regarding Pacquiao's injury. HE HAD A ****ING SURGERY few days after the fight, how can you pretend he wasn't injured? he's facing lawsuits for that reason, and you believe he still tried to lie for.... for nothing? yes, he made up a surgery, everything was fake, ok.

Dr. Neal ElAttrache is who did the surgery, it was in all newspapers. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...t-rotator-cuff

Here you have a video of the Doc explaining how he performed the surgery on Pacquiao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1eqqiTpk-Y
The doctor here explains that that injury doesn't mean that you can't punch or you can't raise your arms, it means that you feel pain when you do it, depending on how severe the injury is.

Here you have a pic of Pacquiao after surgery:



The fact that he didn't went again to the same Doc to rehabilitation doesn't mean that he didn't do it. He did it in his country. Do you think you can't get a Doctor in Philipinas being a millionarie? how ignorant can you be? and swimming is one of the typical post-surgery exercises for this kind of injuries.

So my conclusion is that you are 100% an assh0le.

[nacho daddy]

Nothing changed over the years for Pac.

While at the end of his career when floyd got older, he got ripper.

No flexing needed for Floyd. So natural lol

well those pics make it very clear froid is juiced

[travestyny]

You ended up being such a ****** biased fanboy. But I'll respond anyway. Get the facts as they were.

About the fight result. What can you do against the status quo? not much, but at least some major diaries wrote a story about watching the replay and seeing that Pacquiao had outlanded Mayweather: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...-decision.html

On the same subject, you have for example Holyfield and Mosley (amongst a lot others, just search) saying that they saw Pacquiao win or close fight:

http://sports.inquirer.net/180700/ho...-vs-mayweather

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/5/3/...ee-boxing-news

The fix was in. It's clear as day when one of the judges scored only two rounds for Pacquiao when Pacquiao outlanded Mayweather in most rounds.

If you believe the compubox bullsheet, which I concluded here Mayweather fans tend to believe more it's accuracy, then you are the m0r0n. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=700302

Regarding Pacquiao's injury. HE HAD A ****ING SURGERY few days after the fight, how can you pretend he wasn't injured? he's facing lawsuits for that reason, and you believe he still tried to lie for.... for nothing? yes, he made up a surgery, everything was fake, ok.

Dr. Neal ElAttrache is who did the surgery, it was in all newspapers. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...t-rotator-cuff

Here you have a video of the Doc explaining how he performed the surgery on Pacquiao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1eqqiTpk-Y
The doctor here explains that that injury doesn't mean that you can't punch or you can't raise your arms, it means that you feel pain when you do it, depending on how severe the injury is.

Here you have a pic of Pacquiao after surgery:



The fact that he didn't went again to the same Doc to rehabilitation doesn't mean that he didn't do it. He did it in his country. Do you think you can't get a Doctor in Philipinas being a millionarie? how ignorant can you be? and swimming is one of the typical post-surgery exercises for this kind of injuries.

So my conclusion is that you are 100% an assh0le.

lol. So let's see.

1. Still waiting for the video stating Mayweather knew about Pacquaio's supposed injury.

2. Of everyone in the boxing world, you have 2 people whom you say thought Pacquaio won. Holyfield and Mosley, who later recanted and said he gave the fight to Mayweather. I guess you didn't notice that.

3. You said many experts and websites went back to give the fight to Pacquaio, then you mention only one that said it may have been a draw or could conceivably have been a win for pacquaio after the fact.

But then there's:
Harold Lederman: 117 - 111 Mayweather

Mike Tyson: "It's him, who he is. It's his era. It's his time. When a man's time has come, nothing can stop him. He's in invincible mode now."

Robert Garcia: "Mayweather did what he had to do, but I was a little disappointed more in Pacquiao,…I thought he was going to give him a better fight…They didn’t have a gameplan”

Sugar Ray Leonard: “Floyd Mayweather did what he had to do to stay undefeated…and that’s boxing smart.”

Carl Froch: 118 - 110 Mayweather

Larry Merchant: Pacquaio “let everyone down in this fight”

Freddie Roach: "[Pacquaio] believes that he won. I don't."

And the list goes on and on.

4. Skipping rehab (which Pacquaio himself said he never went to, whether in the Phils or otherwise) to play basketball and swim doesn't seem like a good way to treat a severely torn rotator cuff. Did the doctor go in to poke around or do something major? If it was severely torn, how in the world did Pacquiao throw enough punches to supposedly win the fight?

5. I think it's funny you called me an ******. Shows that you know you have nothing.

[danceswithfire]

Floyd is like lance Armstrong of boxing. He got away with it most impreesivelky because PAC has had to put up with public humiliation .

Floyd mostly doesn't answer questions or be asked questions even? He is a joke figure on these boards but that's different. Escaped under radar, same as jmm

was about to say this, Floyd and his team have already incriminated him many times in their interviews ,Floyd f@gs are just to dumb to read between the lines

[Lester Tutor]

You ended up being such a ****** biased fanboy. But I'll respond anyway. Get the facts as they were.

About the fight result. What can you do against the status quo? not much, but at least some major diaries wrote a story about watching the replay and seeing that Pacquiao had outlanded Mayweather: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...-decision.html

On the same subject, you have for example Holyfield and Mosley (amongst a lot others, just search) saying that they saw Pacquiao win or close fight:

http://sports.inquirer.net/180700/ho...-vs-mayweather

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/5/3/...ee-boxing-news

The fix was in. It's clear as day when one of the judges scored only two rounds for Pacquiao when Pacquiao outlanded Mayweather in most rounds.

If you believe the compubox bullsheet, which I concluded here Mayweather fans tend to believe more it's accuracy, then you are the m0r0n. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=700302

Regarding Pacquiao's injury. HE HAD A ****ING SURGERY few days after the fight, how can you pretend he wasn't injured? he's facing lawsuits for that reason, and you believe he still tried to lie for.... for nothing? yes, he made up a surgery, everything was fake, ok.

Dr. Neal ElAttrache is who did the surgery, it was in all newspapers. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...t-rotator-cuff

Here you have a video of the Doc explaining how he performed the surgery on Pacquiao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1eqqiTpk-Y
The doctor here explains that that injury doesn't mean that you can't punch or you can't raise your arms, it means that you feel pain when you do it, depending on how severe the injury is.

Here you have a pic of Pacquiao after surgery:



The fact that he didn't went again to the same Doc to rehabilitation doesn't mean that he didn't do it. He did it in his country. Do you think you can't get a Doctor in Philipinas being a millionarie? how ignorant can you be? and swimming is one of the typical post-surgery exercises for this kind of injuries.

So my conclusion is that you are 100% an assh0le.

you can impose surgery for any type of medical condition even if it's completely minor nor necessary. as if Arum isn't going to have any type of surgery enforced due to the circumstances and inconsistencies the moment they lost to Floyd and opened their mouths. Arum is a lawyer. He knows exactly what he's doing... injuries compile scarring tissue over and over, especially in consistent areas.

the dumbest and most failed dialogue from Pac's own surgeon, the '''ooh it's the same Kobe surgeon!!'' (oh it has to be unquestionable!!!), is that the same doctor LITERALY SAID ON VIDEO ON THE NET PROVIDED BY ABS-CBN (Philippines) that Pac's tissue looked ''perfectly NORMAL!!!''

Why did the surgeon say that? Because he could have serious repercussions when other medical doctors during the lawsuit provide their medical opinions regarding damage and the DIALOGUE from Arum, Roach, and Pac after the bout.

So what does that mean?! Arum forced the surgeon to make the incision and do whatever bulshet on that tissue regardless if it wasn't necessary. It has nothing to do with the surgeon, only the benefit for Top Rank to provide an ''alibi'' or excuse for the whole mock up. That ''surgery'' alone is what dummies people into believing any stories Arum can play to the press. lol so easy this type of planning happens in politics on a daily basis most boxing fans have no idea of propaganda tactics... including Hauser's, the guy who just practically disappeared as well and whom failed to mess up Floyd's mind coming #49...

Fast forwards, Pac swimming in sea water, Roach and Arum like ''wtf... how do we continue playing along....'' no therapy... for the supposedly ''extremely torn rotator cuff'' which their own paid surgeon said ''the tissue looked extremely well...'' I mean cmon man... lol

You'd think boxing fans would know the phrase ''money talks!'' or wait, isn't that Floyd's line?! lol

[_Maxi]

you can impose surgery for any type of medical condition even if it's completely minor nor necessary. as if Arum isn't going to have any type of surgery enforced due to the circumstances and inconsistencies the moment they lost to Floyd and opened their mouths. Arum is a lawyer. He knows exactly what he's doing... injuries compile scarring tissue over and over, especially in consistent areas.

the dumbest and most failed dialogue from Pac's own surgeon, the '''ooh it's the same Kobe surgeon!!'' (oh it has to be unquestionable!!!), is that the same doctor LITERALY SAID ON VIDEO ON THE NET PROVIDED BY ABS-CBN (Philippines) that Pac's tissue looked ''perfectly NORMAL!!!''

Why did the surgeon say that? Because he could have serious repercussions when other medical doctors during the lawsuit provide their medical opinions regarding damage and the DIALOGUE from Arum, Roach, and Pac after the bout.

So what does that mean?! Arum forced the surgeon to make the incision and do whatever bulshet on that tissue regardless if it wasn't necessary. It has nothing to do with the surgeon, only the benefit for Top Rank to provide an ''alibi'' or excuse for the whole mock up. That ''surgery'' alone is what dummies people into believing any stories Arum can play to the press. lol so easy this type of planning happens in politics on a daily basis most boxing fans have no idea of propaganda tactics... including Hauser's, the guy who just practically disappeared as well and whom failed to mess up Floyd's mind coming #49...

Fast forwards, Pac swimming in sea water, Roach and Arum like ''wtf... how do we continue playing along....'' no therapy... for the supposedly ''extremely torn rotator cuff'' which their own paid surgeon said ''the tissue looked extremely well...'' I mean cmon man... lol

You'd think boxing fans would know the phrase ''money talks!'' or wait, isn't that Floyd's line?! lol

Okeeey. So your point is that Pacquiao had surgery because he was bored.
Good bye man, I understand why you and the other assh0le have red bars of reputation.

[Lester Tutor]

Okeeey. So your point is that Pacquiao had surgery because he was bored.
Good bye man, I understand why you and the other assh0le have red bars of reputation.

Actually if you read my point you'd comprehend that its the Promoter in power, not Pac.. lol It has nothing to do with Pac other than playing along from what his advisers lay out to him as usual.

I am an ******* because of ''red bars'' on an internet forum... you sound like a computer dork bruv. Try not to get emotional and actually learn from real world scenarios.

[NUCLEAR]

I disagree.

I think there is every need for su****ion in the sport where drug usage doesn't just make you run faster or throw further than your opponent.

I also happen to agree with the poster's conjecture that all three used illegal supplements at one time or another. Much stricter testing was applied in athletics and cycling with little result. At least Pac and Mayweather had more money and prestige than any athlete or cyclist. And to paraphrase Victor Conte whose job it was to know these things intimately, "Show me someone who fails a drug test and I'll show you an idiot or someone who was not advised properly".

So who gained the most, probably Pac for his continued incredible strength and Marquez for his big KO of Manny. JMM threw a perfect punch but without supershakes would he have had the speed, stamina or recovery rate to still be throwing as he was losing handily at the time.

For what it's worth I think Manny probably stopped at some point over the last couple of years. Maybe it was religion or some such but he lost a major step all of a sudden. Or hell, maybe he was drug free all along and just hit an age bump but I doubt it.

At what point do you think pac used peds? because even very earlier in his career he already has shown extraordinary feats hell kid pacquiao has even more stamina than prime pac.

[SplitSecond]

Pacquiao had surgery because he was bored and also spent nearly a year out of the ring.

The Floydboys were certain Pacquiao would be back around something like September of last year and funnily enough Pacquiao was out of commission longer than Mayweather after Castillo. Floyd was recovered and in heavy training after about 5 months hilariously.