who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[travestyny]

I guess that I need to explain this to you too AGAIN!!!

Since its a partial urine sample it means that it is NOT sufficient. It may have been just a drop or more but NOT enough. So that would mean that they would combine the before IV sample and after and pour into Sample A and Sample B.

This I'm sure was part of the plan.

Here is a prime example of something you "keep explaining" but makes no damn sense. Let's put your statements together.

1. You believe (without any proof) that USADA has some people who were paid off by Floyd in an attempt to help him abuse PED's.

2. The DCO that showed up on May 1st was made aware of Mayweather's need for the IV and stayed around to monitor him until it was performed. Now, would you say this person was a part of this conspiracy or against it? Seems he would have disallowed it if he wasn't a part of it, but I don't want to put words into your mouth. If he was one of the good ones, why wouldn't he speak up like the USADA people that chased Lance? Seems he falls into the dark side of the force on your spectrum. Do you agree?

3. It is clear that if masking is taking place, the chances of passing the test decreases if any amount of urine from before the masking process is included in the test. Wouldn't you agree? (You claim that it could have been a single drop of urine. For all you know, it could have been more than half of the amount needed. However, I think it is clear that urine that is taken before the masking process would definitely decrease the likelihood of tricking a test, no?

4. This DCO who it would appear was in cahoots with Mayweather agrees to take urine from before the IV instead of simply waiting to take urine exclusively from after the IV. To go further, the DCO doesn't claim to simply not witness the IV at all.

Anyone can clearly see that it is not logical for Mayweather to have to cheat a test if he paid millions of dollars to cheat. For millions of dollars, do you really think this would be the best that USADA could do for Floyd? Give me a beak man. You said yourself that no one would know about the IV or TUE if Pacquaio's team didn't negotiate for it to be revealed. Do you really think that because of that, USADA couldn't have simply stayed away when the IV was taking place, claim they weren't around to witness it, and left a cheating Floyd out to dry by himself? No matter how many times you give your lame excuses about this scenario, anyone can see that what you are saying is not logical in any way.

[Real King Kong]

How can someone get away with something the most? If your stance is they all cheated then they've all gotten away with it.

Thread should have ended here.

[GTTofAK]

Interesting...i guess if manny had that guy back in 2010, he wouldn't have had to duck the testing. Ariza was only enough to beat standard nsac piss testing i guess.

There is no record of Ariza having any relationship with Memo when Ariza was part of Paquaio's camp. Personally I think that Froid believed Ariza to be a steroid guru which Ariza is not. Ariza's MO is to give his fighters over the counter stimulants. This is evidenced by his fighter Rios testing positive for a recently banned over the counter stimulant. When Ariza realized that Froid wanted more form him than just pre-workout Ariza brought in Memo.

[GTTofAK]

Sure it does. They dont reference wadas banned METHODS. No where in NSAC will you find language such as

"Intravenous infusions and/or injections

NAC 467.850  Administration or use of alcohol, stimulants, drugs or injections; urinalysis or chemical tests; disciplinary action. (NRS 467.030)

1.  The administration of or use of any:

(a) Alcohol;

(b) Stimulant; or

(c) Drug or injection that has not been approved by the Commission, including, but not limited to, the drugs or injections listed in subsection 2,

You need to seriously shut the **** up.

[Real King Kong]

There is no record of Ariza having any relationship with Memo when Ariza was part of Paquaio's camp. Personally I think that Froid believed Ariza to be a steroid guru which Ariza is not. Ariza's MO is to give his fighters over the counter stimulants. This is evidenced by his fighter Rios testing positive for a recently banned over the counter stimulant. When Ariza realized that Froid wanted more form him than just pre-workout Ariza brought in Memo.

Plausible...though i do believe manny was on hgh minimum. People don't avoid more comprehensive testing for no reason.

[GTTofAK]

"The USADA accuses Armstrong of using EPO, human growth hormone, testosterone, anti-inflammatory steroids and various masking agents used to cover up his other alleged abuses. The agency claims to have physical evidence for Armstrong's supposed "blood doping,"

http://www.livescience.com/22684-lan...g-science.html

Most damaging to Armstrong's claims to innocence has been mounting testimony from former teammates and associates who say they have witnessed or shared in Armstrong's alleged doping practices.

And where did USADA get all this testimony? Oh that is right the LA prosecutor handed it over to them.

So now who is the idiot?

Obviously you. You didn't even bother to find out where this new testimony came from.

but would do nothing to alter it when urine is given the next day.

He would just take another IV you moron. Armstrong got tested after legs of the race too. He always had time to take a quick IV.

What you are telling me is that he paid millions of dollars yet he gets no benefit.

A retroactive TUE for something WADA code prohibits TUEs for retroactive or otherwise is quite the benefit.

He doesn't know when they are coming to collect

How do you know that?

he has to mask his PED use

With warning that isn't really much of a problem.

he couldn't get them to hide the use of the IV (or pretend to stay away and pretend it didn't happen) or to hide the TUE that was delivered.

Actually they hid it for weeks. It would have been very bad had this come out before the fight.

If he never has any inside information, which is clear because according to you he still has to mask

That makes no sense. You are simply ******. The inside information is what makes it easier to mask. You know when to take an IV.

He gives a partial urine sample from BEFORE the IV which would clearly increase the chance of him failing a drug test in the case he was cheating

USADA said he gave a partial sample which they mixed. They have no evidence that it ever happened.

USADA didn't help him at all? They couldn't even slip him the time that they would be coming?

Whether or not USADA was tipping off Floyd is not established fact no matter how much you claim it is.

"The Halestorm Sports story referenced by Mr. Hauser can be accessed at http://halestormsports.com/2012/10/1...les-allegedly- tests-positive-for-banned-substance-is-fight-with-danny-garcia-still- on/, and appears to have been posted on the evening of October 18, 2012. By then, both fighters, the promoter, and the New York State Athletic Commission (NYSAC) had already all been advised by USADA of Mr. Morales' positive test. The results had also already been reported to WADA by sample number directly by the laboratory."

"Mr. Benitez advised in writing, “There is no indication in the Commission’s files that it was notified of this matter prior to October 18, 2012.”"

That being said a key point in the original Halestorm article is that the parites had been asked for comment by Halestorm. That means that USADA knew that the article was going to be published before it was. So when the article was published doesn't start the time line. It when USADA learned about the article which was clearly before they informed the NSYAC. They only informed then NYSAC in resposne to the Halestorm article.

hahahahahaha. I love putting you in your place!
From an article from 2013 entitled "Seeing red: UEFA's fight against drug cheats will see blood-testing programme expand next season"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/uefa-blood-testing-catch-drug-1907412

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!! I just want you to know that! An untested league, you say?

You know I kind of saw this responce comming from you. I said to myslef 'Self this ****ing moron obviously hasn't read the study so he doesn't know what years the samples were from. He's so ****ing dumb he is going to claim that since they started testing in 2014 its a tested league. This ****ing dumbass is too damn ignorant to know that it takes years before a paper is published and the actual data comes from well before the testing program.'

This just shows that you are ****** moron who can do little more than search goggle. I have multiple science degrees you ****ing dolt. I read the damn study you cited. They used urine samples from 2008-2013 in 2014 they implemented the program you moron.

If you had looked you would have easily found that many viewed these results as proof that there was a major PED problem in the UEFA.

UEFA-commissioned doping study reveals many con****uous results

BERLIN

A doping study commissioned by the European football body UEFA has revealed a higher than expected rate of con****uous levels of testosterone that in some cases could potentially point towards doping, German broadcaster ARD said on Saturday

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-doping-soccer-idUKKCN0RJ0UP20150919

The best scientific practices today, which USADA utilizes, is the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP)

Lets see what Floyd landis had ot say about how hard it was to beat USADA's "Athlete Biological Passport"

"You can use three to four times your body's normal production of EPO if you inject it intravenously and have virtually no chance of testing positive within a matter of hours," Landis told ESPN.com. "So the biological passport is a joke, and I'm fairly certain the UCI knows about it." Landis added that he bought an expensive piece of machinery to measure his own reticulocyte count and also learned to do the analysis manually with a microscope.

So Floyd Landis with his high school education was able to beat the biological passport. Yeah that is one hell of a gold standard.

Face it you cant win. On top of simply being smarter than you I know way more about this than you do.

[Rath]

If your interpetation of the Nevada State Athletic Commision involvement as you describe as "null and void" is accurate, what gave NSAC the authority to deny mannys drugs (toradol ****tail) and things like his own gatorade before the fight?

see how you interpret my reply?

did i say NSAC involvement were null and void or "NSAC allows IV infusion" is invalid?

Because Pac ask for NSAC's permission. why did they rejected it, was the question. now show me where in NSAC rules and regulations that toradol, vitamins and gatorade is a banned substance.


An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.


AS PER USADA.

all this blah blah blahs and nothing that says anything about "retroactive application". remember USADA only said they were given advance notification of IV infusion, not TUE application.

spin it genius floyd fan.

you are so easy.

[Rath]

I never heard of a retroactive TUE before.

But..... Who has the ultimate authority over this fight???

NSAC or USADA???

Does NASC have the power to over rule things...

Or does contract law::: TMT & TR control???

If Arum isn't making a big deal about it... Just saying...

Floyd will get what he should get win or lose, Pac would get what he should get win or lose, arum will get what he should get win or lose.

that's the answer to your question.

add those billions of dollars of bets that changed hands, how are they going to reconcile that if the decision was reversed.

[Rath]

Hmm...so you agree then.

that a slightly ******ed poster owned a genius floyd fan named yusaf mack err... i mean considerthis?

[Real King Kong]

that a slightly ******ed poster owned a genius floyd fan named yusaf mack err... i mean considerthis?

Ok...so you've confirmed my su****ion that you're slightly ******ed then.