Is Dominic Wade just as good as Sulivan Barrera?

[xhiddenx87]

It's simple really. GGG is an active, current champion in his division, who is supposedly the best fighter at 160 and yet has never fought the number one guy or anything even close to it. He's fought a constant slew of these mandatory level fighters and seems like he'll never do anything more.

Ward is an inactive, injured fighter moving up to a new division where he has never had a fight before so is testing the waters in a new division and shaking off ring rust from inactivity. He's come from being the number one guy, and cleaning out his division, so this first fight in a new division after such a long lay off is a good fight. Particularly as the Kov fight is already signed from all accounts and will happen later in the year.

Inactive no that much, injury, you mean the last one? Everybody knows that was a fake injury, he told everybody that it wasn't really and injury it was just that something bothered him around the knee. And for the testing the waters not so much, he fought at LHW already(172) against a 190 guys, so this talk of Barrera is bigger, not buying it.

[-PBP-]

Correct. I also liked his hard combination punching just before the stoppage. Barrera is the better, more exciting fighter; the other is less skilled, amateurish and unwatchable, IMO.

Right. People are too focused on paper and numbers. Wade stands upright, no head movement and leaves himself wide open. He has a bad habit of dropping his right hand and he's going to pay for it. He's been dropped before and staggered by sub par opposition.

Barrera has been way more impressive in his early career than Wade.

[jas]

Barrerra is way way way better than wade

[killakali]

That was the worst stoppage of the year tho.

it was early no doubt but the round had just started and it was just a matter of time

[bigjavi973]

their amatur records are both pretty good.

Dominic Wade:

- Amateur record 167-10
- IBF ranked #3
- Pro record 18-0-0(12KO)
- Mandatory to fight GGG

Sullivan Barrera:

- Amateur record 258-27
- IBF ranked #1
- Pro record 17-0-0(12KO)
- Mandatory to fight Kova



They both have a similar Pro record. To me they are pretty even in terms of rankings, opposition and skills(barrera edged it here though).

then my real question is...Why are there so many people bashing on GGG, and not Ward?
Just beacuse this is Ward second fight at LHW he gets a pass?

is it me or Gennady is slowly getting some hate in social media and in this forum?

please your thoughts....

One is fighting up from his original weight class.... while the other is the champion at said weight class.

technically can't really blame lil'g cuz he was supposed to fight johnson, who is much better than wade, but johnson got injured.

[Cutthroat]

Barrera is easily a top 10 LHW, possibly top 5. He's completely outclassed his pro competition too, and is a huge lhw at 6'2. He's levels ahead of Wade.

LHW is probably the strongest division in all of boxing right now, MW is a joke.

[M Bison]

This is how I feel about the Wade-Golovkin match up. I'm sure he didn't plan on being put in front of Golovkin but injuries & delaying have him now scheduled as his mandatory. If I'm Wade's trainer, promoter, or manager I'm telling him to pass up on this fight. He's still relatively young compared to the other middle weights & from looking at his Soliman fight, he's not ready for this kind of step up. Unless he drastically improves or happens to hit a whole other level in the next two months, he is at risk of getting seriously beaten down.

With Barrera I feel he is going to get soundly beaten by Ward but time isn't on his side and this is a opportunity he has to take. Given his older age he is also likely to give it everything he has because I don't think he can rebound career wise from a loss to Ward.

You should be happy Wade is willing to do what other so called champions aren't willing to do (Saunders, Canelo possibly also Jacobs) he is willing to do this at his young age whilst still a bit raw he has as some have said the better resume (out of Barrera) so he is experienced with amateur fights and a professional career with some good wins.

If It wasn't for people like Wade we'd never have any real champions instead it would be a boxing division full of opportunists taking advantage of a corrupt system.

[M Bison]

Barrera is easily a top 10 LHW, possibly top 5. He's completely outclassed his pro competition too, and is a huge lhw at 6'2. He's levels ahead of Wade.

LHW is probably the strongest division in all of boxing right now, MW is a joke.

I'd actually say in terms of say from 154 to 200+ the order of strongest to weakest divisions would go like this -

1. Cruiserweight
2. Middleweight
3. Super Middleweight
4. Heavyweight
5. Light heavyweight
6. Super Welterweight

Too many weak named fighters in the LHW division, look at the age of the best fighters and look what is coming through its certainly not the best quality of fighters.
When Adonis retires essentially it will be a one man division, it's already a two-man division right now and the only thing preventing it being a full on one man dominating it is Kathy Duva yep as I said its certainly not a strong division lets bare in mind a 45+ yo man B-hop dominated that division, Cleverly was a world champion and Bellew was one of the LHW best names do I really need to say any more to dispute my claim?

Would also like to say only reason I rated the Super Welterweight below LHW is due to the fact that I think not many of the guys are the finished article, the Super Welters definitely have the better prospect and likely will have a stronger division in the years coming but as of now the LHW tips the edge because of guys like Adonis and Kovalev and that's the only reason.

I also didn't realize we take height in the factor of how good a boxer is, very strange that.

[Cutthroat]

I'd actually say in terms of say from 154 to 200+ the order of strongest to weakest divisions would go like this -

1. Cruiserweight
2. Middleweight
3. Super Middleweight
4. Heavyweight
5. Light heavyweight
6. Super Welterweight

Too many weak named fighters in the LHW division, look at the age of the best fighters and look what is coming through its certainly not the best quality of fighters.
When Adonis retires essentially it will be a one man division, it's already a two-man division right now and the only thing preventing it being a full on one man dominating it is Kathy Duva yep as I said its certainly not a strong division lets bare in mind a 45+ yo man B-hop dominated that division, Cleverly was a world champion and Bellew was one of the LHW best names do I really need to say any more to dispute my claim?

Would also like to say only reason I rated the Super Welterweight below LHW is due to the fact that I think not many of the guys are the finished article, the Super Welters definitely have the better prospect and likely will have a stronger division in the years coming but as of now the LHW tips the edge because of guys like Adonis and Kovalev and that's the only reason.

I also didn't realize we take height in the factor of how good a boxer is, very strange that.

I disagree, MW has to be the weakest in that list, outside of Golovkin there are no quality fighters. His biggest threat is a blown up JMW, Alvarez.

LHW is stacked with quality fighters. Kovalev, Ward, Barrera, Pascal, Gonzales, Shabranskyy, Gvozdyk, Fonfara, Alvarez, etc.

Most of these guys are very skilled, hit hard, they have a wealth of amateur experience, and solid size. There are numerous fighters that could go up to 190 and become champions.

Most of the guys at cruiser are very 1 dimensional, they lack the skill that these LHW's have, although they hit hard. Too many depend on just their power to win. Lots of old guys too, Drozd and Lebedev are both 36 years old.


I've also seen Usyk get his ass kicked by Beterbiev in the amateurs, getting dropped by body shots and getting rocked. I think he's a guy that could go up to 190 and dominate.

[xhiddenx87]

Is good to know the combined opponents record of wins and losses for these two:


Dominic Wade
W L D
213 150 13

Sullivan Barrera
W L D
213 70 13