Comments Thread For: Canelo-Golovkin And the Unnecessary Buildup

[hitking]

Again you are looking at the sports only as you see it which I clearly asked you to step out and see the bigger picture. Pacquaio vs Floyd doing 4 million buys wasn't about elites it was about 6 years of gossip, rumors, accusations, and other aspects..you know gossip tmz type shhh..which is why people are now looking for the next two fighters to recreate that with..sadly it won't be kovalev - Ward. It's not convenient for you to know what i'm talking about because it does not help your argument, if it did you'd be singing a differnt tune. We've also argued that Ward has again done nothing in the past 4 years to classify him as still elite, let's please stop living in the past until he earns that title again.

So according to your criteria. What has GGG done in the last decade to earn his elite status?

[therealpugilist]

I think it takes a lot of wishful thinking to even consider the possibility of this fight happening this year. There's no way Canelo''s first fight at the full 160 lb limit happens right after fighting Amir Khan at 155. It's a clear indication of Golden Boy''s plan to milk the title and increase Canelo''s star power

I dont know why people are acting oblivious to this major factor...the guy is 25, learning english, and gradually gaining notoriety


the PPV wouldnt tank but it wouldnt bust 1 million this year..if both keep winning then the fight will be huge...plus it gives GGG time to get known more than by hard core fans

[hitking]

I agree GGG is wasting his time at 160. I would love to see him fight a 168 lber but the winner of Ward/Kov will be at 175.

And i wouldnt use the Ward/Kov fight as an example cause that one is just promised to us by HBO like Cotto/GGG was and now Canelo/GGG is. Ill wait to see if it happens first

I don't think HBO promised anything in regards to Nelo-GGG. GGG has been looking down the scale moreso than up it for his "big fights" since he's been over here. So after Floyd retired, Canelo was the logical priority for GGG. And after Nelo win the paper belt against Cotto, its kinda the logical next fight. But, Canelo and unifying belts has been a much bigger priority for GGG than he's been for Canelo. Canelo and GBP haven't said much of anything about GGG. Outside of things like a 155 catchweight and 90:10 purse splits. My point all along is that GGG has basically been pissing in the win with all the unification talk. And when he started talking **** about not fighting below 160, anyone that's followed boxing for any amount of time knows that that killed the fight. GGG is completely delusional if he thinx he can force Canelo's hand. He's even more delusional if he thinx HBO or the WBC is gonna go against Canelo to back him. Dude has pretty much put his career on hold for fights that aren't gonna happen and an "accomplishment" that doesn't mean anything. Does it suck for him? Absolutely. But how much longer does he get a pass for fighting ****ty competition while waiting on fights that clearly aren't gonna happen. At least not gonna happen anytime soon.

[Starsam69]

So according to your criteria. What has GGG done in the last decade to earn his elite status?

IDK...Maybe knocking out 21 middleweights in a row and beating 7 top 10 ranked middleweights in just 3 years with ease and style...Maybe being a unified champ by knocking out everyone in his path including a current champ and former champions...That and every other champion and contender in the 160 lb division is ducking him...Maybe it's his highly decorated amateur pedigree combined with his massive amounts of activity and skill...Maybe it's because he fights more than 1 time every two years against better fighters than Paul Smith Jr. and Edwin Rodriguez...Just maybe, though...

[hitking]

IDK...Maybe knocking out 21 middleweights in a row and beating 7 top 10 ranked middleweights in just 3 years with ease and style...Maybe being a unified champ by knocking out everyone in his path including a current champ and former champions...That and every other champion and contender in the 160 lb division is ducking him...Maybe it's his highly decorated amateur pedigree combined with his massive amounts of activity and skill...Maybe it's because he fights more than 1 time every two years against better fighters than Paul Smith Jr. and Edwin Rodriguez...Just maybe, though...

Can we get some names with all these stats please? Scratch that, I got a new game. I'll list Andre Ward's best wins in the order I rate them. Then you match them with GGG's best wins according to how you rate them. Me first, Carl Froch. Your turn.

[Starsam69]

Can we get some names with all these stats please? Scratch that, I got a new game. I'll list Andre Ward's best wins in the order I rate them. Then you match them with GGG's best wins according to how you rate them. Me first, Carl Froch. Your turn.

Daniel Geale, former unified WBA and IBF titlist with 6 defenses and never been stopped or down in his career prior. Instead of naming names like casual ****tards, how about we compare skillsets and achievements of these fighters? How about we take into account the performances both GGG and Ward had during these fights? GGG knocked Geale out easy in 2 and half rounds, Ward went 12 ugly rounds with one dimensional, easy to hit Froch. GGG knocked Lemieux out in 8 rounds after schooling him in every round when Lemieux was on a 9 fight win streak, a current IBF champ, and had a better resume than Peter Quillin, whom a lot of people were say was GGG's biggest test at middleweight (because he was American and had power, that's literally it.) GGG knocked out Murray easily in 10 and a half rounds, battered him from pillar to post, when Murray was arguably undefeated. Murray beat Martinez in Argentina but clearly got robbed, he beat Sturms ass, so you could say he was the undefeated unofficial lineal middleweight champ. He also outweight GGG by 12 lbs on fight night and had 2 inches of height and reach on him. GGG still beat him up easily. You know Murray was quality when he moved a division after his loss to GGG and, IMO, beat Abraham, the number 1 ranked WBO champ at 168 who also happens to be Ward's 3rd best win. Imagine what GGG would have done to the Abraham Ward fought?

[ИATAS]

I dont know why people are acting oblivious to this major factor...the guy is 25, learning english, and gradually gaining notoriety

Who cares if he's 25? He's not some young prospect he's been a pro for 10 years and has 48 fights. He's a vet at this point he's fought Mayweather, Cotto, Lara, Trout and so on. Tired of the lame excuses and equally tired of people defending a 155 pound made up weight class.

[hitking]

Daniel Geale, former unified WBA and IBF titlist with 6 defenses and never been stopped or down in his career prior. Instead of naming names like casual ****tards, how about we compare skillsets and achievements of these fighters? How about we take into account the performances both GGG and Ward had during these fights? GGG knocked Geale out easy in 2 and half rounds, Ward went 12 ugly rounds with one dimensional, easy to hit Froch. GGG knocked Lemieux out in 8 rounds after schooling him in every round when Lemieux was on a 9 fight win streak, a current IBF champ, and had a better resume than Peter Quillin, whom a lot of people were say was GGG's biggest test at middleweight (because he was American and had power, that's literally it.) GGG knocked out Murray easily in 10 and a half rounds, battered him from pillar to post, when Murray was arguably undefeated. Murray beat Martinez in Argentina but clearly got robbed, he beat Sturms ass, so you could say he was the undefeated unofficial lineal middleweight champ. He also outweight GGG by 12 lbs on fight night and had 2 inches of height and reach on him. GGG still beat him up easily. You know Murray was quality when he moved a division after his loss to GGG and, IMO, beat Abraham, the number 1 ranked WBO champ at 168 who also happens to be Ward's 3rd best win. Imagine what GGG would have done to the Abraham Ward fought?

Carl Froch would beat the living **** outta Daniel Geale and will go down in history as the better fighter. So I win.

My #2 is a tough one. I gotta give the nod to Mikkel Kessler.

BTW, keep it short. This is a very simple exercise.

[BoxingIsGreat]

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Good writing and analysis. I thought based on the title, the conclusion would be: "Unnecessary build-up because the fight will never happen or possibly happen in a few years. Canelo is becoming a *****."

[MrRolltide91]

What about the deal to fight at the end of this year? Ward's fighting Kovalev in a big PPV superfight. GGG's gonna be fighting some cab driver that one of the ABC boys deem a "mandatory."

I don't know about ward vs kovalev being a ppv superfight.



They might be better off putting that fight on regular hbo.