Comments Thread For: Stevenson's Promoter Disputes Claims By Kovalev's Manager

[Scipio2009]

did you hear team steveson turned down this adn that cause they didnt want to put main events in that situation in case the blah blah didnt make that much.

Yvon Michel called bull**** on Duva's projections, instead trying to figure out a structure to actually maximize the revenue on the fight.

-Montreal brings a bigger gate for the fight than anyone could honestly project for Vegas (where Kovalev was only able to move 1k tickets at Mandalay Bay and Stevenson has never fought) or New York(where neither guy has ever fought).

-HBO, after nearly three years of pushing Golovkin, was able to only muster 100k PPVs for his debut show; what type of number do you earnestly expect for the debut PPV of both Kovalev and Stevenson?

again, use some intellect.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Stevenson makes more than $2m per fight for the fights that he has lined up; if Duva is trying to talk up the fight as a $15m fight, yet it actually turns out to be a $5m fight, Stevenson and his camp get ****ed out of a **** ton of money.

HBO has been pushing Golovkin for three years yet could barely get over 100k PPV buys for his debut; if you earnestly think that HBO has built Kovalev-Stevenson into being worth three times their darling's debut, you're kidding yourself.

Michel isn't an idiot; if HBO could only draw 100k PPV buys for Golovkin's debut, Michel figures that HBO/Showtime could push Kovalev-Stevenson over 200k PPV buys, being safe with projections

Stevenson-Fonfara II, from the Bell Centre in Montreal (first fight was good, Fonfara went on to knock off Chavez Jr, before delivering a FOTYC on SpikeTV) likely does double the live gate that Kovalev-Stevenson does at either MSG or the MGM Grand, if we're being honest about it.

I get what you're saying.. I really can't dispute it..mi just don't think showtime is needed at all.. Adonis-kovalev is a much bigger fight than ggg-lemuix.. Plus it should have US and Canada PPv money, maybe even Russian.

I just don't see how adonis wouldn't make more money with kovalev than with fonfara.. Their is no way a fonfara rematch is bigger than a kovalev fight.

[deanrw]

I'm torn. I mean on one hand, this would be like two car dealers trying to sell the exact same car. Double the expenses and costs to sell it, when the car is only a subcompact and low profit anyway.

On the other hand getting them all working together might help them in working again in the future.

Floyd vs Manny was bank fattening for everyone, so I can understand everyone wanting part of it. Kovalev vs Stevenson is a tough sell.

[Cinci Champ]

whether u side with duva or heyman i think anyone with half a boxing brain knows this fight should be staged in canada lets be honest and khan going to hbo to fight canelo kinda ruins the diva heyman claims

[Cinci Champ]

I get what you're saying.. I really can't dispute it..mi just don't think showtime is needed at all.. Adonis-kovalev is a much bigger fight than ggg-lemuix.. Plus it should have US and Canada PPv money, maybe even Russian.

I just don't see how adonis wouldn't make more money with kovalev than with fonfara.. Their is no way a fonfara rematch is bigger than a kovalev fight.

well ya but at the same time adonis is trying to make as much as possible off the fight and he knows if its not a joint venture that he wont make nearly as much. in my opinion these hbo contracts are hurting boxing far more then pbc or any other promoter or manager it kills negotiations daily

[tiliheels]

Burned by HBO?
Don't you have that backwards? It was Stevenson who originally backed out of a verbal agreement HBO had to showcase the fight a year ago.

hbo didnt have an agreement..stevenson and kovalev had only said they would fight each other..hbo didnt even have purses lined up...there was only speculation that both guys would get 500k from my previous knowledge...so until paper work is done up no one is backing out of anything..unless they make it obvious that they want a purse bid and then just run away from it..that is wat i call burned..both sides have screwed up therefore there is even more reason for both sides to get it right for the fans and make it work together..this is not a canelo fight..both guys are equal stars

[Scipio2009]

I get what you're saying.. I really can't dispute it..mi just don't think showtime is needed at all.. Adonis-kovalev is a much bigger fight than ggg-lemuix.. Plus it should have US and Canada PPv money, maybe even Russian.

I just don't see how adonis wouldn't make more money with kovalev than with fonfara.. Their is no way a fonfara rematch is bigger than a kovalev fight.

Showtime is needed, in as far as they have 10m-15m premium TV homes that don't already have HBO; the more homes you have to sell a premium fight to, the more likely the projections actually come true.

HBO, with 36.5m homes, was able to get "150k" homes to buy the Golovkin PPV; using that same projection, HBO/Showtime, with 50m homes, should be able to project 200k PPV buys (@$60/PPV, you end up putting $6m into the pot).

Stevenson makes more money off of a Fonfara fight than a Kovalev fight for 2 simple reasons: 1)The current Kovalev-Stevenson projections are wildly optimistic, arguably by a factor of 2 and 2)Stevenson is likely to take an 80/20 split on a rematch that has sizable interest/attention in his home market.

Golovkin-Lemieux, even if you count the rosiest of revenue guesses, didn't put $7m into the fight pot; Kovalev and Stevenson, assuming things to even be there, are splitting their pot 50/50. 80/20 Stevenson split on a Fonfara fight, to match what I think is realistic for Kovalev-Stevenson, puts the pot at $5m to match the Kovalev payout. Boisterous crowd and a good Canadian buyrate, for the rematch of a fight that is actually warranted (nevermind what Showtime is likely to put up for the US rights) isn't that much of a moonshot.

[BKM-]

Just make the damn fight already.

[Scipio2009]

I'm torn. I mean on one hand, this would be like two car dealers trying to sell the exact same car. Double the expenses and costs to sell it, when the car is only a subcompact and low profit anyway.

On the other hand getting them all working together might help them in working again in the future.

Floyd vs Manny was bank fattening for everyone, so I can understand everyone wanting part of it. Kovalev vs Stevenson is a tough sell.

Not exactly, tbh; if you want to extend that "car dealer" metaphor; you have a major Western car dealer and a major Eastern car dealer (with some obvious overlap in their markets) trying to sell a car across their combined market; expenses go up, but you're also selling cars to a larger potential market.