Should Manny Still Be Placed Above Floyd On The ATG List?

[b00g13man]

I was using words described by people in this thread, and it was pretty one-sided. So those few hits Morales took > Pac getting knocked down and KTFO by JMM in terms of shortening their careers? You guys are suggesting that Morales went from fully in control of Pac to weight drained and shot in less than a year...but Pac was nowhere near as diminished despite being 6 years older, fought 15 fights more over a longer career, and having been KTFO 2 years prior.

Clearly. Name a decent Morales win after that. I'll wait. Manny on the other hand would have lost to Bradley if he was that badly faded. I also must've missed someone describing that as a one-sided fight. Nice try.

You've got nothing here.

[therealpugilist]

Clearly. Name a decent Morales win after that. I'll wait. Manny on the other hand would have lost to Bradley if he was that badly faded. I also must've missed someone describing that as a one-sided fight. Nice try.

You've got nothing here.

Morales lost every meaningful fight he had after he defeated Manny...he was on the slide and had shaky performance vs Chavez, In Jin Chi before hand and didnt look great after


anything to pump up Manny's resume...no need for that, he is an ATG...just not the best of this era, was not the fighter of the decade in my book during the 2000s, and was never better than Mayweather


the media can only do so much to convince people, fight A is the best but the ring in the squared circle of truth.

[hugh grant]

People saying yes or no, what is your criteria?

Mine, as is always the case when ranking fighters is based on achievements, titles won, opponents faced and at what stage, number of defences of titles, skill set, entertainment value and mainstream appeal.

Pacquiao scores higher than Mayweather in almost all those categories. He was already a great fighter before the Oscar/Cotto/Marg/Bradley fights. Beating those guys and beating JMM for a 3rd time just solidified his position. Of course, there will be a lot of American bias for Mayweather, which is understandable but how many of those categories would Mayweather rank higher in?

PAC was considered greater than Floyd before he was koed by jmm. Since being koed people had to take a deep breath and reevaluate.
They asked themselves do losing to jmm and f!oyd change things? No they don't! Pac beat jmm 3 times, thats 2 times more than floyd beat jmm. Floyd beat a gun shy pac. Floyd fans like to say it was close legacy wise and Floyd beating PAC was the decider? But that is only in their dreams. Floyd had all physical advantages and PAC had one arm. Floyd fans beg, borrow and steal credit for Floyd, so PAC having one arm isn't insignificant.

[soul_survivor]

PAC was considered greater than Floyd before he was koed by jmm. Since being koed people had to take a deep breath and reevaluate.
They asked themselves do losing to jmm and f!oyd change things? No they don't! Pac beat jmm 3 times, thats 2 times more than floyd beat jmm. Floyd beat a gun shy pac. Floyd fans like to say it was close legacy wise and Floyd beating PAC was the decider? Floyd had all physical advantages and PAC had one arm. Floyd fans beg, borrow and steal credit for Floyd, so PAC having one arm isn't insignificant.
But that is only in their dreams.

I totally agree, Pac had already surpassed Floyd long before they fought and long before Pac v JMM IV.

But I was really asking the Floyd fans, using the criteria I put forward (a criteria used by most rankings), how is Floyd greater/better? I've actually asked this multiple times over the last couple years but never receive an answer.

[madsweeney]

Clearly. Name a decent Morales win after that. I'll wait. Manny on the other hand would have lost to Bradley if he was that badly faded. I also must've missed someone describing that as a one-sided fight. Nice try.

You've got nothing here.

You're comparing Morales after Pac vs Pac before Mayweather. Just like Morales before the first Pac fight, Pac has been showing signs of degrading well before Mayweather only difference is Zahir was the first slap to everyone's face that he wasn't the same, Pac's slap to us was 2 years ago. Now, its likely Pac will win against Bradley unless he's shot to ****, but time will tell if he, like Morales will ride off to retirement after their respective losses.

[DeadLikeMe]

I totally agree, Pac had already surpassed Floyd long before they fought and long before Pac v JMM IV.

But I was really asking the Floyd fans, using the criteria I put forward (a criteria used by most rankings), how is Floyd greater/better? I've actually asked this multiple times over the last couple years but never receive an answer.

Easy. Manny lost the most important fight of his career. He lost in the beginning, middle and end of his career. Floyd fought more champions in more title fights and came out victorious. Manny lost to his biggest challenges and lost decisively in the two most watched fights of his career.

[hugh grant]

I totally agree, Pac had already surpassed Floyd long before they fought and long before Pac v JMM IV.

But I was really asking the Floyd fans, using the criteria I put forward (a criteria used by most rankings), how is Floyd greater/better? I've actually asked this multiple times over the last couple years but never receive an answer.

True, some people will think Floyd is greater but that's because of ignorance. Floyd knows PAC is better. He knows everything PAC has done is what people love. What PAC has done is similar to all those greats who came before pac did.

Floyd says he will ko opponents but not only does he not do that he doesn't even make an effort in trying to. He's too specialised can only fight one way, or rather will only fight one way. Belongs in a circus act

[soul_survivor]

Easy. Manny lost the most important fight of his career. He lost in the beginning, middle and end of his career. Floyd fought more champions in more title fights and came out victorious. Manny lost to his biggest challenges and lost decisively in the two most watched fights of his career.

Still not using any criteria. You're stating he lost, there are fighters in most boxing top 10 lists who have more losses than Manny and less "championship" fights than Floyd. You'll have to give some actual boxing reasoning, that **** doesn't fly with someone who knows the sport.

[Reloaded]

Pac farts claiming Manny is better than Mayweather well what a surprise , would be interesting to witness a recognised boxing outlet run by a recognised unbiased writer state the same sht the fanboys in here do , only Pac fans have any such ******s notions , could it be they are emotional children or dumb as fck adults .

Here is a good book that appears to be written just for the Pac farts .

Throughout history, humans have always indulged in certain irrationalities and held some fairly wrong-headed beliefs. But in his newest book, philosopher Lee McIntyre shows how we've now reached a watershed moment for ignorance in the modern era, due to the volume of misinformation, the speed with which it can be digitally disseminated, and the savvy exploitation of our cognitive weaknesses by those who wish to advance their ideological agendas. In Respecting Truth: Willful Ignorance in the Internet Age, McIntyre issues a call to fight back against this slide into the witless abyss. In the tradition of Galileo, the author champions the importance of using tested scientific methods for arriving at true beliefs, and shows how our future survival is dependent on a more widespread, reasonable world.

[DeadLikeMe]

Still not using any criteria. You're stating he lost, there are fighters in most boxing top 10 lists who have more losses than Manny and less "championship" fights than Floyd. You'll have to give some actual boxing reasoning, that **** doesn't fly with someone who knows the sport.

Your "criteria" also led you to make a thread arguing that, "In 20 years, people will see Mayweather-Pacquiao as at least a draw."