Should Golovkin Vacate and Put Pressure on Jacobs?

[ИATAS]

So why does GGG keep signing these exclusive HBO deals when half the top guys from 154-168 are with PBC? Let's be real, PBC guys are making on free tv what GGG makes on PPV.

Canelo isnt with pbc. cotto wasn't with pbc. chavez and martinez werent with pbc. Even Ward and froch werent with pbc. The biggest names at 154-168, by far, have not been with haymon. The smaller names like quillin and jacobs, yeah they are with pbc but they certainly arent big fights.

In your opinion, how big does the PPV pot have to be in order for HBO/Showtime to apply the conceived business template in place?

given the fact its only happened twice in history, both being two of the biggest fights ever, and given the fact they've never once came together for any other fight, it seems to me it needs to be pretty damn significant for two rival networks to come together and work in a joint project. its damn near impossible unless there is so much money to ignore. Personally, I don't see them doing this for any fighters for a ppv expexted to do 250k-350k. I wish they would because there are a bunch of fights i'd love to see, but it doesn't seem likely. I don't know the economics but they presumabley would be splitting the profit, so if there is only a little profit in the first place it doesn't seem too benificial for them to put in all that work for not a lot of money.

[Chollo Vista]

Canelo isnt with pbc. cotto wasn't with pbc. chavez and martinez werent with pbc. Even Ward and froch werent with pbc. The biggest names at 154-168, by far, have not been with haymon. The smaller names like quillin and jacobs, yeah they are with pbc but they certainly arent big fights.




given the fact its only happened twice in history, both being two of the biggest fights ever, and given the fact they've never once came together for any other fight, it seems to me it needs to be pretty damn significant for two rival networks to come together and work in a joint project. its damn near impossible unless there is so much money to ignore. Personally, I don't see them doing this for any fighters for a ppv expexted to do 250k-350k. I wish they would because there are a bunch of fights i'd love to see, but it doesn't seem likely.

Chavez Jr was signed with Haymon when GGG was trying to fight him. Martinez was a potential fight opponent for GGG NLT a year and a half ago. GGG would never even consider Ward.

We're talking about potential opponents for GGG now with PBC:

1. Lara
2. Charlo Bros
3. Julian Williams
4. DeGale
5. Quillin
6. Jacobs
7. Chavez Jr
8. Dirrel Bros
9. Bute
10. Douglass

While GGG is considering fights with guys like Matt Korobov, please tell me what options he has at HBO better than the above and will provide the pay outs like the above fighters with PBC?

[-PBP-]

Chavez Jr was signed with Haymon when GGG was trying to fight him. Martinez was a potential fight opponent for GGG NLT a year and a half ago. GGG would never even consider Ward.

We're talking about potential opponents for GGG now with PBC:

1. Lara
2. Charlo Bros
3. Julian Williams
4. DeGale
5. Quillin
6. Jacobs
7. Chavez Jr
8. Dirrel Bros
9. Bute

While GGG is considering fights with guys like Matt Korobov, please tell me what options he has at HBO better than the above and will provide the pay outs like the above fighters with PBC?

It doesn't matter who is with PBC. The WBA has the power to make this fight but they are too chickenshi*. Fans, media heads, promoters and fighters need to go full force to make the WBA enforce their ****ing rules so GGG doesn't waste another year in his prime on guys like Dominic Wade.

[ИATAS]

Chavez Jr was signed with Haymon when GGG was trying to fight him.

He was with top rank at the time and that's the whole reason for the chavez splitting with top rank and why the gennady fight fell through (he didn't want to be with top rank anymore). Chavez up to that point was fighting on HBO.

Martinez was a potential fight opponent for GGG NLT a year and a half ago. GGG would never even consider Ward.

We're talking about potential opponents for GGG now with PBC:

1. Lara
2. Charlo Bros
3. Julian Williams
4. DeGale
5. Quillin
6. Jacobs
7. Chavez Jr
8. Dirrel Bros
9. Bute

While GGG is considering fights with guys like Matt Korobov, please tell me what options he has at HBO better than the above and will provide the pay outs like the above fighters with PBC?

You asked me WHY he signed deals with HBO. You implied why he did it multiple times ("why does he keep signing these exclusive deals?") So don't try to alter what you said especially when your posts are just a couple posts up.

My point stands- the biggest names (martinez, chavez, canelo, cotto, froch) were not with haymon. The guys you named aren't big names at all, it's laughable when lara is on the top of the list. but still, that doesn't conern me here - I'm not Golovkin; I don't know the details in his contracts with HBO. I'm sure Golovkin signs these deals for the same reason Peter Quillin signs deals with Al haymon - they do it because they feel they are doing the best thing for their careers.

[Chollo Vista]

It doesn't matter who is with PBC. The WBA has the power to make this fight but they are too chickenshi*. Fans, media heads, promoters and fighters need to go full force to make the WBA enforce their ****ing rules so GGG doesn't waste another year in his prime on guys like Dominic Wade.

I agree with all of that, but the way you posed the question in the OP you essentially said Jacobs has been ducking GGG and hiding behind Al Haymon when that couldn't be further from the truth.

Since Jacobs 1st round TKO over Quillin, Loeffler hasn't even mentioned Jacobs name as a potential opponent nor has he even tried to initiate negotiations. So how is Jacobs hiding behind his promoter?

[Chollo Vista]

You asked me WHY he signed deals with HBO. You implied why he did it multiple times ("why does he keep signing these exclusive deals?")

My point stands- the biggest names (martinez, chavez, canelo, cotto, froch)

When I say "why does GGG keep signing these HBO exclusive contracts", I'm referring to the fact that the only available details of GGG's contract says he's already met his 4 fight minimum contractual obligations as of Monroe Jr. Many of the guys you mentioned above outside of Canelo/Cotto, were potential opponents back in 2014. Then even if we're talkinga bout Canelo, we still have the catchweight problem so I doubt that fight even happens.

Unless he's signed another extension, what's stopping him from fighting outside HBO for a one fight deal?

Especially when the guys you mentioned are either retired, with Haymon or already said they won't fight GGG (i.e. Cotto).

[FeFist]

It doesn't make sense to pursue Jacobs at this point in time. The aim of the game is to not get ****d at the negotiation table with Canelo. Having a unification bout with Jacobs is a good way of saying ''We can make an event without you," but if he ploughs through the relevant names at Middleweight, team Canelo would know they hold all of the cards.

[Scipio2009]

We all know that there is no reason a fighter the caliber of Gennady Golovkin should be fighting an undeveloped prospect like Dominic Wade. Wade is a DMV boy so I actually like the dude but even people back home know he isn't ready for this. This is the exact reason why many top fighters don't even pursue the IBF. They enforce wack mandos like this one.

The WBA is trying to salvage it's reputation but will not touch on the issue of Jacobs/GGG. Jacobs is content holding a minor title, hiding behind uncle Al and getting paid handsomely for easier fights.

Why doesn't Golovkin call him out on his bull****? Instead he's taking pics and smiling with the guy on some "We're all champions at heart' ****.

Props to Chris Mannix for pressuring the WBA to force this damn fight. But that is not enough. More media and team Golovkin need to join in and get this done.

Enough is enough.

The WBA isn't trying to salvage anything; the biggest money fight at MW is against WBC champion, 'Canelo' Alvarez. With Golovkin being their champion, the WBA sees itself being cut in on a Canelo fight.

The moment that the Canelo bout ceases to be an option, the WBA will go forward with pushing for Golovkin-Jacobs (a borderline PPV fight, that will be pushed onto PPV, and a fight that should do massive business in New York).

Because, and let's be honest here, no one forced Golovkin to take the step-aside fee to make Cotto-Alvarez, and no one forced Golovkin to take another step-aside fee to give Canelo a voluntary defense on his date.

[Scipio2009]

What is Golovkin going to do when Haymon wins the IBF purse bid and plans to put the fight on a PBC telecast?

First, Haymon wouldn't win the bid; Tom Brown will likely win the bid (on the understanding that he'd be partnering with DiBella Entertainment to take the fight to the East Coast) and get his other fighters opportunities on the undercard of a PBC broadcast (Depending on the timing of the bid, DBE/TGB could pair Golovkin-Wade with Charles Martin's first title defense, Steve Cunningham seeming like the obvious choice).

Secondly, if Haymon were to end up with the fight, HBO would force Golovkin to vacate the belt (on the premise that they'll be able to spin the boxing press into accepting a different "Super Golovkin" story)

[-PBP-]

I agree with all of that, but the way you posed the question in the OP you essentially said Jacobs has been ducking GGG and hiding behind Al Haymon when that couldn't be further from the truth.

Since Jacobs 1st round TKO over Quillin, Loeffler hasn't even mentioned Jacobs name as a potential opponent nor has he even tried to initiate negotiations. So how is Jacobs hiding behind his promoter?

My thread title is asking GGG to pursue Jacobs. They are both content taking easy fights and eating good.