Comments Thread For: Team Golovkin: No Negotiating Weight With Canelo, 160 or Vacate

[HeroBando]

Before you inject yourself into things you don't understand, re-read what I wrote.

I said he won't outsell an American boxer at the Grand. I said nothing of MSG, and in any event the sellout was more because of Lemieux than GGG. Let's be clear here.

Before that fight Lemieux only ever really lost against Marco Antonio Rubio, a first ballot HOF'er. Meanwhile he's taken dangerous fights and he's a solid puncher. He has a rabid Canadian and French fanbase. Canadian boxing fans will gladly go to NY to support their own.

tl;dr: Lemieux helped sell out MSG. GGG had little to nothing to do with that.

Did it help GGG? Absolutely. Will he sell out the Grand the same way? Depends on his opponent, not him, and regardless, he's not outselling an American fighter on American soil because nobody knows who he is yet.

GGG is a boxer-slugger. It's widely accepted a true boxer-puncher runs circles around GGG. Floyd, Ward, even Broner. The reason I don't want to see any of them fight GGG is simply because all we'd hear is how they "ran" when in reality, GGG is just slow, and he IS slow. His punches move through molasses and he doesn't move his head nearly enough. A precision puncher takes him out. Just like Ruslan.

Omg, you can't be for real. This has gotta be a joke account. Bye clown, don't address me anymore

[Combat Talk Radio]

I just had to chime in and say you're a ****ing idiot. Jesus christ...

You're entitled to your opinion, but until GGG fights someone of the style I mentioned - that being Saunders, Eubank Jr., Ward, etc. - in my eyes he hasn't proven himself yet.

Zou Shiming looked impressive too until he got exposed. It happens. GGG looks impressive, but seeing him go 11 with Murray got me questioning what styles will easily beat him.

He's also a hypocrite, saying he'd face Floyd at 154 yet refusing to face Canelo at the same weight. Now he's lost that opportunity to become a star and we're stuck potentially seeing Canelo KO Khan.

[Combat Talk Radio]

If I'm WBC, I'm going to want the multi-millions Canelo Alvarez brings to me, but the thing is, he'll bring that money no matter who he fights. It doesn't matter what Loeffler says. If Canelo refuses and sticks to his catchweight demand, WBC will bow to his wishes. That's how they work.

Let me say this. If WBC gets stones and forces the right weight, I'll gain more respect for them, but history has taught me to be skeptical.

Leaving this here. Like I said. All Lil'G had to do was accept the Caneloweight. WBC was never going to force a vacate.

#CaneloKhan

[aboutfkntime]

Glolovkin probably cannot be effective if he needs to drain an additional 5lbs.
He's made it clear that he will not sell himself short which canelo did against floyd.

I agree, and can't argue with that.

My issue is this.....

1) you are correct, it is highly unlikely that Golovkin would be the same fighter at 155..... in fact, he just wouldn't be the same fighter, end of story..... but, that kinda makes Team Golovkin look like a bunch of lying manipulating ****s, considering the fact that they spent 3 years saying this..... "anyone from 154-168 doe"

2) the two situations that you described, are not even similar..... a) the weight made no difference whatsoever in the Mayweather/Canelo fight..... b) Canelo's team offered 152, and they got what they wanted..... whereas Golovkin stated that he could beat anyone at 154 as recent as October 2015, but is completely unwilling to even try

[superchamp]

Canelo just won the title. They gave him a good faith voluntary to grow into the weight, but if he insists on defending the lineal MW belt they'll strip him as they should

and Canelo's using it to fight Khan at 155. How is that helping him grow into the weight?

Golovkin has now stepped aside at least three times waiting for a big payday (He's been the mandatory since before Cotto-Martinez).

If he wants to fight Canelo he is going to have to give in to Canelo's demands, because Canelo is the A side.

Just like Martinez did vs. Cotto and just like Floyd did vs. De La Hoya.

If he's not willing to do that then he should have forced one of those guys to vacate long ago, because it's been obvious that neither of them has any real interest in fighting him at 160.

[KeyboardWarrior]

You're entitled to your opinion, but until GGG fights someone of the style I mentioned - that being Saunders, Eubank Jr., Ward, etc. - in my eyes he hasn't proven himself yet.

Zou Shiming looked impressive too until he got exposed. It happens. GGG looks impressive, but seeing him go 11 with Murray got me questioning what styles will easily beat him.

He's also a hypocrite, saying he'd face Floyd at 154 yet refusing to face Canelo at the same weight. Now he's lost that opportunity to become a star and we're stuck potentially seeing Canelo KO Khan.

He always looked pretty ordinary actually

[BattlingNelson]

They aren't " selling out to get the belt " because they don't think that Golovkin can beat Canelo at 155..... otherwise, they would just fight him.

And you know it

Maybe they think that there is a 95% probabability of beating Canelo at 160 and 90% chance at 155. Of course they are not giving Canelo Any concessions when they dont have to. Its not rocketscience dude.

[aboutfkntime]

Maybe they think that there is a 95% probabability of beating Canelo at 160 and 90% chance at 155. Of course they are not giving Canelo Any concessions when they dont have to. Its not rocketscience dude.

IF they thought they had a 90% chance of beating Canelo at 155, they would simply do it.

What..... are you telling me, that Golovkin will only fight if he thinks that he has a 90%+ chance of winning? Is that what you just said?

I guess that explains why they didn't want anything to do with Ward.

That is called, a manufactured fighter, who is cherry-picking easy fights.

He could be a man-of-his-word, and at least negotiate with Canelo.

[Xoahr]

I said he won't outsell an American boxer at the Grand. I said nothing of MSG, and in any event the sellout was more because of Lemieux than GGG. Let's be clear here.

Before that fight Lemieux only ever really lost against Marco Antonio Rubio, a first ballot HOF'er. Meanwhile he's taken dangerous fights and he's a solid puncher. He has a rabid Canadian and French fanbase. Canadian boxing fans will gladly go to NY to support their own.

tl;dr: Lemieux helped sell out MSG. GGG had little to nothing to do with that.

Did it help GGG? Absolutely. Will he sell out the Grand the same way? Depends on his opponent, not him, and regardless, he's not outselling an American fighter on American soil because nobody knows who he is yet.

GGG is a boxer-slugger. It's widely accepted a true boxer-puncher runs circles around GGG. Floyd, Ward, even Broner. The reason I don't want to see any of them fight GGG is simply because all we'd hear is how they "ran" when in reality, GGG is just slow, and he IS slow. His punches move through molasses and he doesn't move his head nearly enough. A precision puncher takes him out. Just like Ruslan.

Undefeated, never knocked down in around 400 amateur bouts, and took silver for Kazakhstan (not really known as a boxing nation) in the Olympics, but please keep stating how he lacks fundamentals and technique, and is nothing but power. Did you see the jab he employed against Lemieux? That's precision punching.

Can somebody explain why a mandatory title fight, against the lineal MW champion should be fought at 155, when the MW category goes up to 160? That seems a little ****** to me. Surely if they're the lineal MW champion, they're the best at that weight category, and should be willing to fight anyone within that weight category. If you defend a CW in a mandatory title defence between the lineal champ and his mandatory, you're defending the idea that Canelo isn't better than GGG.

Furthermore, there's a bit of a hypocrisy going on here - look, either:

a) GGG is nothing but a hype job OR
b) GGG is the real deal.

If (a), then why do people say he should drop to 155? If he's such a bum, surely Canelo will dance around him? Further, if (a), why are these people also insisting "160 holds nothing for him, he should go to 168 and fight real competition there"?

If (b), then surely you should be for this fight at any weight within the category (ie, the full 154 - 160, no CW apart from the max weight limit), to watch two of the best fight it out? Or, do you not agree with this because Canelo isn't better than GGG and needs a CW to drain and beat him, whilst he's busy arranging a fight with Khan - who is historically chinny, smaller than Canelo, been Bambi'd multiple times, wasn't convincing at 147 and is going to 155 for the first time, ever, to face Canelo (who multiple writers state rehydrates to at least 175+).

Any serious replies appreciated, thanks.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Undefeated, never knocked down in around 400 amateur bouts, and took silver for Kazakhstan (not really known as a boxing nation) in the Olympics, but please keep stating how he lacks fundamentals and technique, and is nothing but power. Did you see the jab he employed against Lemieux? That's precision punching.

What I saw is a guy who almost went the distance against Martin Murray - the same Martin Murray that went 12 against a shot Sergio Martinez.

Can somebody explain why a mandatory title fight, against the lineal MW champion should be fought at 155, when the MW category goes up to 160? That seems a little ****** to me. Surely if they're the lineal MW champion, they're the best at that weight category, and should be willing to fight anyone within that weight category. If you defend a CW in a mandatory title defence between the lineal champ and his mandatory, you're defending the idea that Canelo isn't better than GGG.

Nobody's defending anything. People have to accept reality of current boxing. Chris Eubank has talked about this. The era of wars and "proving yourself" is long gone. It's a business. WBC is all about that money, and those that want to be at the top of the game have to put up or shut up no matter how silly the requirement.

Floyd had to bow down to Oscar trying to stack the deck against him. He was rewarded for it and retired at the top of the game.

GGG - all he had to do was suck it up and accept Caneloweight, school Canelo and prove he's as good as he says he is regardless of weight, and move on.

Furthermore, there's a bit of a hypocrisy going on here - look, either:

a) GGG is nothing but a hype job OR
b) GGG is the real deal.

You're missing something. We don't know either way because GGG is full of it.

When it's Floyd he'll happily go down to 154, but won't face Lara, won't face Ward, won't face Saunders, won't face Eubank, won't face Jacobs...won't face anyone else that's a true threat to him except Floyd. Yet, he won't face Canelo except at 160 despite Canelo wanting 155.

Ignore the championship situation. It's a simple question.

Why is it he will fight Floyd at 154 but won't fight Canelo at 155? It makes no sense if he's THAT good. It shouldn't matter. You do whatever it takes to get to the top of the game THEN you can go around throwing out demands.

If (a), then why do people say he should drop to 155? If he's such a bum, surely Canelo will dance around him? Further, if (a), why are these people also insisting "160 holds nothing for him, he should go to 168 and fight real competition there"?

Because he keeps flip flopping about going down, so maybe going up is more his speed.

If (b), then surely you should be for this fight at any weight within the category (ie, the full 154 - 160, no CW apart from the max weight limit), to watch two of the best fight it out? Or, do you not agree with this because Canelo isn't better than GGG and needs a CW to drain and beat him, whilst he's busy arranging a fight with Khan - who is historically chinny, smaller than Canelo, been Bambi'd multiple times, wasn't convincing at 147 and is going to 155 for the first time, ever, to face Canelo (who multiple writers state rehydrates to at least 175+).

Any serious replies appreciated, thanks.

It's simple dude.

Khan agreed to Caneloweight. GGG did not. Khan got the fight. It's not rocket science.

It doesn't matter how much Khan bloats, his only advantage in the fight was speed. Heavier, he has to rely on power, which he doesn't have. Canelo is going to land that picture perfect uppercut right through Khan's guard and it's lights out for the King.

But in summary: Khan agreed to the A-Side's terms. Good/bad/right/wrong, Khan got the fight because he's playing ball, and he'll get a huge payday even when he gets KO'd.

Meanwhile GGG is on the sidelines looking ****** and desperate yet again.