Comments Thread For: Team Golovkin: No Negotiating Weight With Canelo, 160 or Vacate

[MOMENTO MORI]

Its a shame when being clearly ducked by everyone is your division isnt a testament to your greatness. Its even a greater shame when people want a fighter to make concessions ...dare I say accept handicaps so that in the possibility of defeat, overly critical fans could say he was never as good as advertised.

[kafkod]

Before you inject yourself into things you don't understand, re-read what I wrote.

I said he won't outsell an American boxer at the Grand. I said nothing of MSG, and in any event the sellout was more because of Lemieux than GGG. Let's be clear here.

Before that fight Lemieux only ever really lost against Marco Antonio Rubio, a first ballot HOF'er. Meanwhile he's taken dangerous fights and he's a solid puncher. He has a rabid Canadian and French fanbase. Canadian boxing fans will gladly go to NY to support their own.

tl;dr: Lemieux helped sell out MSG. GGG had little to nothing to do with that.

Did it help GGG? Absolutely. Will he sell out the Grand the same way? Depends on his opponent, not him, and regardless, he's not outselling an American fighter on American soil because nobody knows who he is yet.

GGG is a boxer-slugger. It's widely accepted a true boxer-puncher runs circles around GGG. Floyd, Ward, even Broner. The reason I don't want to see any of them fight GGG is simply because all we'd hear is how they "ran" when in reality, GGG is just slow, and he IS slow. His punches move through molasses and he doesn't move his head nearly enough. A precision puncher takes him out. Just like Ruslan.

Undefeated, never knocked down in around 400 amateur bouts, and took silver for Kazakhstan (not really known as a boxing nation) in the Olympics, but please keep stating how he lacks fundamentals and technique, and is nothing but power. Did you see the jab he employed against Lemieux? That's precision punching.

Can somebody explain why a mandatory title fight, against the lineal MW champion should be fought at 155, when the MW category goes up to 160? That seems a little ****** to me. Surely if they're the lineal MW champion, they're the best at that weight category, and should be willing to fight anyone within that weight category. If you defend a CW in a mandatory title defence between the lineal champ and his mandatory, you're defending the idea that Canelo isn't better than GGG.

Furthermore, there's a bit of a hypocrisy going on here - look, either:

a) GGG is nothing but a hype job OR
b) GGG is the real deal.

If (a), then why do people say he should drop to 155? If he's such a bum, surely Canelo will dance around him? Further, if (a), why are these people also insisting "160 holds nothing for him, he should go to 168 and fight real competition there"?

If (b), then surely you should be for this fight at any weight within the category (ie, the full 154 - 160, no CW apart from the max weight limit), to watch two of the best fight it out? Or, do you not agree with this because Canelo isn't better than GGG and needs a CW to drain and beat him, whilst he's busy arranging a fight with Khan - who is historically chinny, smaller than Canelo, been Bambi'd multiple times, wasn't convincing at 147 and is going to 155 for the first time, ever, to face Canelo (who multiple writers state rehydrates to at least 175+).

Any serious replies appreciated, thanks.

GGG had 350 amateur fights with only 5 defeats. He's a former world amateur champion as well as Olympic silver medal winner.

He has excellent technical skills as well as raw strength and power. He cuts the ring like Chavez Sr in his prime, which is about as good as it gets.

Anybody who can watch Golovkin fight then call him a slow, crude slugger is not worth the trouble of replying too. Especially not with your first ever post here!

[BattlingNelson]

IF they thought they had a 90% chance of beating Canelo at 155, they would simply do it.

What..... are you telling me, that Golovkin will only fight if he thinks that he has a 90%+ chance of winning? Is that what you just said?

I guess that explains why they didn't want anything to do with Ward.

That is called, a manufactured fighter, who is cherry-picking easy fights.

He could be a man-of-his-word, and at least negotiate with Canelo.

I said that they will not give Canelo any concessions if they don't have to. I guess it really was rocketscience for you.

[aboutfkntime]

Undefeated, never knocked down in around 400 amateur bouts, and took silver for Kazakhstan (not really known as a boxing nation) in the Olympics, but please keep stating how he lacks fundamentals and technique, and is nothing but power. Did you see the jab he employed against Lemieux? That's precision punching.

Can somebody explain why a mandatory title fight, against the lineal MW champion should be fought at 155, when the MW category goes up to 160? That seems a little ****** to me. Surely if they're the lineal MW champion, they're the best at that weight category, and should be willing to fight anyone within that weight category. If you defend a CW in a mandatory title defence between the lineal champ and his mandatory, you're defending the idea that Canelo isn't better than GGG.

Furthermore, there's a bit of a hypocrisy going on here - look, either:

a) GGG is nothing but a hype job OR
b) GGG is the real deal.

If (a), then why do people say he should drop to 155? If he's such a bum, surely Canelo will dance around him? Further, if (a), why are these people also insisting "160 holds nothing for him, he should go to 168 and fight real competition there"?

If (b), then surely you should be for this fight at any weight within the category (ie, the full 154 - 160, no CW apart from the max weight limit), to watch two of the best fight it out? Or, do you not agree with this because Canelo isn't better than GGG and needs a CW to drain and beat him, whilst he's busy arranging a fight with Khan - who is historically chinny, smaller than Canelo, been Bambi'd multiple times, wasn't convincing at 147 and is going to 155 for the first time, ever, to face Canelo (who multiple writers state rehydrates to at least 175+).

Any serious replies appreciated, thanks.

Golovkin is being called out on his own bull****.

I am sure you are aware of that...... so yea, you wasted your first post.

1) Golovkin is a catchweight abuser himself

2) Golovkin spent 3 years of marketing/PR creating the impression that he can beat "anyone from 154-168"

[Joe Beamish]

Golovkin is being called out on his own bull****.

I am sure you are aware of that...... so yea, you wasted your first post.

1) Golovkin is a catchweight abuser himself

2) Golovkin spent 3 years of marketing/PR creating the impression that he can beat "anyone from 154-168"

Sanchez is the guy who originally said "154-168", and I think there's a single clip on camera somewhere of Golovkin sort of agreeing.

His "marketing", however, has ALWAYS been purely about unifying the middleweight division as his absolute primary goal. On a couple occasions it seemed there were brief discussions with a money-making side target like Chavez, Jr. at 168, but otherwise GGG's focus has been solid: Consolidate 160.

Golovkin has said this like a million times.

[aboutfkntime]

I said that they will not give Canelo any concessions if they don't have to. I guess it really was rocketscience for you.

Right, but here is the point you missed.....

1) Golovkin has a weak resume, and is being criticised by boxing insiders for his poor opponent selection

2) Golovkin is desperate for exposure, considering his only PPV flopped

3) Golovkin built his reputation around a statement that he is not willing to stand behind..... immediately after the Lemieux fight he AGAIN stated that he can beat anyone at 154.

4) You just admitted that Team Hypekin are not prepared to take any kind of risk in order to land a meaningful fight, which can only mean one thing.....

Ward goes up in weight to fight Kovalev...... and yet Golovkin refuses to fight the little red kid, despite stating for YEARS that he can beat anyone at 154, including as recently as last October.

They would not even negotiate with Canelo, who is by far the A-side.

I know whats up.

They have NO faith in Golovkin to beat Canelo at 155, and are not prepared to take any form of risk.

Canelo said this..... "I have no interest in middleweight"..... and..... "I will fight anyone at 155"..... and, he has stayed true to his word..... he should obviously drop the MW title.

But Golovkin said that he can beat anyone from 154-168, and yet not only has he made no effort whatsoever to stand behind his hype, he has done the exact opposite and avoided those very fights.

I will run with the HONEST fighter, who has proven himself..... rather than the DISHONEST fighter, who has not.

[aboutfkntime]

Sanchez is the guy who originally said "154-168", and I think there's a single clip on camera somewhere of Golovkin sort of agreeing.

His "marketing", however, has ALWAYS been purely about unifying the middleweight division as his absolute primary goal. On a couple occasions it seemed there were brief discussions with a money-making side target like Chavez, Jr. at 168, but otherwise GGG's focus has been solid: Consolidate 160.

Golovkin has said this like a million times.

Rubbish !!

Golovkin's aura was not built in the ring, because he has fought nobody.

It was built around 2 things, and both are rubbish.

1) " anyone from 154-168 ".... and you know it

2) " dey duckin me doe "

As I said above..... I will run with the HONEST fighter who has proven himself, rather than the DISHONEST fighter who has not.

[BattlingNelson]

Right, but here is the point you missed.....

1) Golovkin has a weak resume, and is being criticised by boxing insiders for his poor opponent selection

2) Golovkin is desperate for exposure, considering his only PPV flopped

3) Golovkin built his reputation around a statement that he is not willing to stand behind..... immediately after the Lemieux fight he AGAIN stated that he can beat anyone at 154.

4) You just admitted that Team Hypekin are not prepared to take any kind of risk in order to land a meaningful fight, which can only mean one thing.....

Ward goes up in weight to fight Kovalev...... and yet Golovkin refuses to fight the little red kid, despite stating for YEARS that he can beat anyone at 154, including as recently as last October.

They would not even negotiate with Canelo, who is by far the A-side.

I know whats up.

They have NO faith in Golovkin to beat Canelo at 155, and are not prepared to take any form of risk.

Canelo said this..... "I have no interest in middleweight"..... and..... "I will fight anyone at 155"..... and, he has stayed true to his word..... he should obviously drop the MW title.

But Golovkin said that he can beat anyone from 154-168, and yet not only has he made no effort whatsoever to stand behind his hype, he has done the exact opposite and avoided those very fights.

I will run with the HONEST fighter, who has proven himself..... rather than the DISHONEST fighter, who has not.

I know you do not understand, but let me try a third time: They will not give Canelo any concessions if they dont have to. Its really not difficult to understand for anyone else but you.

[aboutfkntime]

I know you do not understand, but let me try a third time: They will not give Canelo any concessions if they dont have to. Its really not difficult to understand for anyone else but you.

But that is a crazy reason to avoid a fight.

And it's an insane reason for a fan to support.

Don't you want to see that fight ?

" because I don't have to "..... is hardly reaching for greatness.

Flip it the other way, how about.....

* because you said that you can beat anyone at 154
* because some observers say that Canelo is a better fighter
* because it would be a HUGE payday
* because it would provide HUGE exposure for your career

Those reasons used to be good enough to make a fight.

I'm not even suggesting that Golovkin accept 155, I just don't understand why he isn't even willing to negotiate with the "A-side"?

That fight will not happen under those conditions.

You support Golovkin for refusing to negotiate, because "he doesn't have to"..... and yet, Canelo doesn't need Golovkin at all..... he "doesn't have to" either.

The fight simply will not happen under those conditions.

By refusing to negotiate, it seems that Team Golovkin would prefer that Canelo is stripped...... and I kinda understand that, despite being unimpressed..... but I don't get how his fans can support that?

It's like his fans have just accepted that the "anyone from 154-168" line, was just baloney..... but they don't care? And, it seems like they have no real interest in a Golovkin/Canelo fight, they just want Golovkin to get his hands on the WBC belt, even if it only happens via elevation.

[BattlingNelson]

But that is a crazy reason to avoid a fight.

And it's an insane reason for a fan to support.

So you think it is insane not to endorse catchweights?

Don't you want to see that fight ?

Did I say that?

" because I don't have to "..... is hardly reaching for greatness.

Flip it the other way, how about.....

* because you said that you can beat anyone at 154
* because some observers say that Canelo is a better fighter
* because it would be a HUGE payday
* because it would provide HUGE exposure for your career

Those reasons used to be good enough to make a fight.

I'm not even suggesting that Golovkin accept 155, I just don't understand why he isn't even willing to negotiate with the "A-side"?

You dont understand because you are not very clever and you are not clever enough to understand that you are not very clever.

That fight will not happen under those conditions.

Does that mean that:

1: you have inside access to negotiations?
2: you are a clairvoyant?
3: You haven't got the slightest idea what you are talking about?

You support Golovkin for refusing to negotiate, because "he doesn't have to"..... and yet, Canelo doesn't need Golovkin at all..... he "doesn't have to" either.

No he can just drop the belt instead of keeping it hostage.

The fight simply will not happen under those conditions.

See above.

By refusing to negotiate, it seems that Team Golovkin would prefer that Canelo is stripped...... and I kinda understand that, despite being unimpressed..... but I don't get how his fans can support that?

Maybe some boxing fans, unlike you, is tired of this MW catchweight bullcrap?

It's like his fans have just accepted that the "anyone from 154-168" line, was just baloney..... but they don't care? And, it seems like they have no real interest in a Golovkin/Canelo fight, they just want Golovkin to get his hands on the WBC belt, even if it only happens via elevation.

I think that since this is a mando, it should be staged at 160. Alternatively Canelo can dump the belt and make GGG make a volontary against him at a CW. That could be the end result.