What is more valuable in a clean street fight: good wrestling or good boxing?(pick 1)

[DeadLikeMe]

Every time this thread comes up I always say the same thing. I bartended for several years in my early 20s. I used to see multiple brawls a week (sometimes even multiple in a night). From my personal observation whoever lands the first decent punch usually wins about 75% of the time. Similarly, going for a takedown only had like a 30-40% success rate. In UFC these guys are feinting to set up takedowns and have state/national champion wrestling backgrounds. In a street fight, you usually have some drunk ex-high school wrestler that just bullrushes his opponent. If other drunk guy successfully sprawls, the wrestler is in a real bad spot to get elbowed/punched/fishhooked/all types of nasty stuff.

[LouIE G]

Yep, absolutely. That, and the fact that 95% of 'street fights' start out with one or both guys pushing the other and swearing. You can go for the hail mary punch and hope you land it clean and KO the guy, or you can take the initiative and take him down and you've got full complete control from there on. If you don't land the good punch, you end up trading, or wrestling because it's more likely in that instance that the person is simply going to grab you rather than engage in a stand up war. Again, we come back to wrestling. Street fights nearly always start or end up with some form of wrestling.

Ask any bouncer and they'll all say the same thing. Most street fights start with pushing and swearing at each other, then it either goes straight into a wrestling, scrappy, shirt grabbing fight or a brief punch on ensues with one or two mostly wild punches being thrown, most often with both guys half grabbing the other guy with their free hand anyway and the guy that is losing or can't punch will grab and wrestle, and it becomes a scrappy, flaily, wrestling, shirt grabbing/swinging match with some vague punches being thrown here and there.

It nearly always comes back to good wrestling gives you the best control in by far the most situations.



Along with the "just step back and KHTFO on the way in" I think this is probably the biggest misnomer. For a boxer to punch you, he has to be in close enough that you can also grab him. I've often seen people talk as if the boxer can land his shots as long as he stays out of range of the guy trying to grab him. That just means he can't land any punches either though.

If you are close enough to punch, you are also close enough to grab.

Second, it's nearly impossible to land an uppercut hard enough to do damage on someone with training that's shooting in on you. Shooting in on someone puts your head at waist level and to land a good uppercut on someone that low is nearly impossible. Uppercuts don't work nearly as well, if at all, as people would imagine they do in that situation. Simple punch down to the back of the head is the much better option though it really hurts your hand and could easily break it, or try hard to keep your balance when they first grab you (spread your legs and scoot your hips back) and throw elbows to the back of the head/neck area hard and fast.

****....You're trying to kill somebody.....

[DeadLikeMe]

Yep, absolutely. That, and the fact that 95% of 'street fights' start out with one or both guys pushing the other and swearing. You can go for the hail mary punch and hope you land it clean and KO the guy, or you can take the initiative and take him down and you've got full complete control from there on. If you don't land the good punch, you end up trading, or wrestling because it's more likely in that instance that the person is simply going to grab you rather than engage in a stand up war. Again, we come back to wrestling. Street fights nearly always start or end up with some form of wrestling.

Ask any bouncer and they'll all say the same thing. Most street fights start with pushing and swearing at each other, then it either goes straight into a wrestling, scrappy, shirt grabbing fight or a brief punch on ensues with one or two mostly wild punches being thrown, most often with both guys half grabbing the other guy with their free hand anyway and the guy that is losing or can't punch will grab and wrestle, and it becomes a scrappy, flaily, wrestling, shirt grabbing/swinging match with some vague punches being thrown here and there.

It nearly always comes back to good wrestling gives you the best control in by far the most situations.



Along with the "just step back and KHTFO on the way in" I think this is probably the biggest misnomer. For a boxer to punch you, he has to be in close enough that you can also grab him. I've often seen people talk as if the boxer can land his shots as long as he stays out of range of the guy trying to grab him. That just means he can't land any punches either though.

If you are close enough to punch, you are also close enough to grab.

Second, it's nearly impossible to land an uppercut hard enough to do damage on someone with training that's shooting in on you. Shooting in on someone puts your head at waist level and to land a good uppercut on someone that low is nearly impossible. Uppercuts don't work nearly as well, if at all, as people would imagine they do in that situation. Simple punch down to the back of the head is the much better option though it really hurts your hand and could easily break it, or try hard to keep your balance when they first grab you (spread your legs and scoot your hips back) and throw elbows to the back of the head/neck area hard and fast.

You're assuming some level of proficiency in shooting though. If you're that proficient of a wrestler/boxer/martial artist you're probably a real headcase to be fighting randoms.

[VG_Addict]

It's best to not get in fights in the first place.

[DeadLikeMe]

The most hilarious fight I ever saw was between bench scrubs from the UWM and Marquette men's basketball teams. It looked every bit as awkward as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in that Bruce Lee movie. The bouncers couldn't even do **** to break it up. It took the entire male staff and random UWM/Marquette students who knew the kids to restore order.

[onetwopunch]

In any case if you have 2 fighters of equal skill in there respective arts, 1 boxing and the other wrestling or grappling. The wrestler/grappler will always have the edge in a street fight or a MMA fight. Not counting out the boxer, but its harder to KO someone when they know they are in a fight and they are expecting you to throw a punch. Usually the punches you get KO'ed with are the ones you dont see. Now with that said its easier to keep your hands up cut the distance and grab someone than it is to stay on the outside pop shotting all night and not getting tied up at some point. And when you get tied up..there wont be a referee breaking it up.

[dan_cov]

Boxing, every fight starts standing and how many Street fights have you ever seen where wrestling has been a factor? Seriously? Only time I've ever seen wrestling a factor is when two fat, drunken slobs have grabbed a hold of each other and one has lost balance.

[onetwopunch]

Boxing, every fight starts standing and how many Street fights have you ever seen where wrestling has been a factor? Seriously? Only time I've ever seen wrestling a factor is when two fat, drunken slobs have grabbed a hold of each other and one has lost balance.

Every fight I have seen and been in ends up in some type of wrestling/grappliing. All it takes is 1 missed punch the guy ducks and bam your tied up. The only times I see punches been thrown and no one gets tied up is when the other guy isnt fighting back and is just there getting the snot beat out of him.

[-Kev-]

Good ****ing.

[dan_cov]

Its like because people see MMA (a controlled sport, nothing like Street fighting but for some odd reason people claim it is) they assume wrestling is effective in Street fights when its hardly ever used or applied if at all ever. I'd argue judo is far more effective than wrestling in Street fighting and just about any other martial art outside of Aikido.

Again how many times do we see wrestling applied in Street fights? In the millions of fights online you'd probably be lucky to find a mere handful and all they will be is two young, teens goofing around in a backyard thinking they're tough because they have had one hour training in MMA combined.

It just doesn't happen and if it did you're going to be risking not only putting yourself in severe risk of injury with the concrete but you'll also be risking putting yourself in serious danger. You take someone down and hold them there or grapple with them the chances are they'll sink their teeth into you.