Did people forget how bad Wilder looked?

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  • Fury4daWIN
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    #41
    Boxing fans have a huge capacity for delusion and selective amnesia when it comes to fighters they like. Wilder fans are no different, and in many cases substantially worse. Truth is, almost everyone had Wilder down on the cards prior to the stoppage, and looking like hot garbage against a chinny fringe top twenty fighter called in at short notice. Somehow that's morphed into Wilder being up on the cards against a skilled and tricky southpaw who would give anyone, including Fury, major problems (but not Bryant Jennings apparently).

    The knockdown was a beautiful one, and no one will dispute that, but it doesn't retroactively alter the whole course of the fight up until that point. Wilder looked bad. So bad in fact that my wife, who knows nothing about boxing, actually burst out laughing when he threw those two counter rights against the ropes.

    A fighter of Wilder's supposed calibre should have no problems with Szpilka. Instead, Szpilka controlled him, outboxed him and made him miss wild, whatever the official scorecards say (and anyone using those to justify their opinion shows a very clear bias). This is not some top fighter here. It's a guy who went life and death with Mike Mollo and got comprehensively beaten down by Jennings. I accept that he may have improved since then, but he was still only given a five week training camp to prepare for Wilder, so that has to be taken into account as well.

    If Wilder fans are honest with themselves, they'll accept that this was a poor performance, saved from disaster by a last minute KO. Instead, it seems they want to whitewash the fight and distract attention with the same tired old digs at Fury that people have been using for years.

    No one picked David Tua to beat Lennox Lewis based on his ability to turn fights around at any time with his power. And if they did then I hope they're not making the same mistake today. Power is seductive, and leads you to believe wild amazing things about your fighter, whatever their faults. In Wilder's case it's making people believe that if he only lands one shot on Fury's chin he wins the fight. After all, Fury's been dropped by Cunningham, Pajcik etc, etc. Forget the fact that Jonty can't box for toffee against a moving target, has the most atrocious balance and technique I've ever seen in a top level pro, and gets befuddled by a second-rate southpaw using rudimentary feints and head movement. None of that matters apparently.

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    • Fury4daWIN
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      #42
      Originally posted by Haterfree
      Wilder was leading on all the official scorecards at the time. Then before the fight could reach the 10th rd he knocked the guy out to where he left the ring on a stretcher. Defending his title for the 3rd time. I think the only the OP & a few idiots like him think Wilder is looking bad. lol
      Perfect example of a stereotypical Wilder fan.

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      • mlac
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        #43
        Ive been saying this since way before the stirverne fight, slowly but surely people are waking up to the hype.

        he basically is the 2016 equivalent of michael grant, when he goes in with a live body it will be like the lennox fight, he will get put down multiple times, show decent heart and then get brutally put to sleep.

        At least he's fairly entertaining though, the same can't be said for fury.

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        • Chrismart
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          #44
          I came away from that fight with the same opinion of Wilder as always. He's a sloppy fighter, who has a big punch. Nice KO, but he didn't impress so much.

          I don't know what the official scorecards were at the time, but Szpilka was winning that fight for sure in my mind. He made a mistake and ran into that punch and it cost him big.

          For me, the fight was another example of what i have always though..that someone like Fury would handle Wilder.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Teddy05
            Point? neither of them were in with a chinny midget
            Chinny? That guy took all hard shots of Wilder like nothing. The KO punch would have KOed any fighter.

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              #46
              Fury would outbox him with considerable ease. I don't mind Wilder, I believe he's willing to the face the best but it's obvious that his team doesn't really believe in him.


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                #47
                Originally posted by LacedUp
                So, for some interesting reason people are now saying Wilder is better than Fury and Klitschko and would knock everyone out, on the back of his fight vs Szpilka.

                I've just rewatched the fight and was sat with the exact same feeling I had when watching it live. Wilder simply isn't that good.

                Did you forget how static and stiff he was? He's standing in the middle of the ring and by the 5th round his feet literally looked like they were planted in cement. For such a supposed athletic guy, which he does look like, his feet are exceptionally awful. For god's sake, he kind of looked like Stiverne in there.

                Now, let's get to his balance. It is also exceptionally bad. The guy has his upperbody in front of his lead foot about 70% of the time, and his punches are thrown when completely square quite often.

                I mean, he threw a 'swing' I choose to call it and ended up on the floor HIMSELF because he swang around himself. Szpilka just kind of looked there and though "WTF mate?".

                Don't let me start off on his loading up. He loaded up on every single punch he threw from rounds 2-8. Swinging like he was supremely angry because he was getting tagged by left hooks all the time. As said above, he loaded up so badly that he was swinging around himself and was so off balance that he ended up in a whirlwind straight to the floor in the 8th round. Why?

                Now to stamina - Whilst carrying exceptional power all through the fight, he actually looked gassed by the 6th round. Starting to become sloppy, not moving, puffing a little bit and swinging like a mad-man.

                Before anyone tells me it was because he fought a southpaw, please. Don't be silly. Szpilka did good though in his best Pacquiao impersonation.

                Of course the guy has fight ending power at any moment, but I can't see anything but Fury being an overwhelming favourite should they ever fight.

                Same if he ever fought Klitschko.

                It seems like the stunning KO automatically erased the rest of the fight and the other intangibles in it. People love power, so do I. But the skills are lacking, and the dude has 36 fights and has been a pro for 7-8 years now, no more of this "work in progress". He's a world champion.

                Also, the scores. How in the hell could Wilder ever be 2-3 points ahead in that fight? Simply disgusting.

                Thoughts?

                Take a look:

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                Neither guy are great fighters....both have their vulnerabilities...i think their styles would mesh well.


                Would be enteresting to see Fury in with some one he doesnt tower over and have the advatage in athleticism

                Wilder would get outworked in spots and outboxed by my estimation but Wilder has that equalizer and Fury has been dropped by fighters who dont have near the power of wilder and both knockdowns were right hands...Fury is so square when he throws his punches that when he trades he susceptible to overhand rights. IMO either Wilder wins by KO or Fury wins by UD/SD/MD

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                • 12TRIBEsRiSe
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                  #48
                  Hes learning on the fly! hes getting better, he doesn't get hit a lot, the last guy he fought was akward, he has a lot of work to do for sure but sometimes I wonder if you guys understand how hard it is to be good at boxing.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by mlac
                    Ive been saying this since way before the stirverne fight, slowly but surely people are waking up to the hype.

                    he basically is the 2016 equivalent of michael grant, when he goes in with a live body it will be like the lennox fight, he will get put down multiple times, show decent heart and then get brutally put to sleep.

                    At least he's fairly entertaining though, the same can't be said for fury.
                    I think he'll end up being more successful than Grant, who only had 12 amatuer fights...Wilder is a bronze medallist who seems to be mentally stronger than Grant, more mentally a fighter.

                    Wilder is learning on the job like Grant but Wilder I cant see Wilder getting blitzed in one round by jameel McCline

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by 12TRIBEsRiSe
                      Hes learning on the fly! hes getting better, he doesn't get hit a lot, the last guy he fought was akward, he has a lot of work to do for sure but sometimes I wonder if you guys understand how hard it is to be good at boxing.
                      you know what Uncle Rog would say.....

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