Comments Thread For: HBO Exec on The Rise of Golovkin, Securing Top Opponents

[turnedup]

Yeah but at this point much talk negotiations are unrealistic it seems arbitrary. BJS' will manage himself NOW, meaning, he just won the belt. No he can brand himself with the WBO and find himself sponsors or endorsements from his mgmt. Thus, he's not going to fight GGG unless the right money is involved, therefore, what's the point talking about it.

I agree that BJS with his handler will look to maximize his earning potential but the longer he defends that title the closer he gets to having Golovkin named his mandatory and that seems to be Loeffler's plan of bringing people to the table at this point.

[turnedup]

That WBO belt doesn't give GGG any negotiating leverage The Canelo fight isn't about the belt, it's about the money. If Cotto told GGG he would fight him tomorrow GGG would take that fight over BJS. How many times does K2, GGG, & Sanchez have to say it's about the money before y'all believe it?

You may on the surface think it doesn't but if the public starts getting in Canelo's @ss like they did with Lara it definitely will. We all know the only reason Alvarez fought Lara was because the public got on his back about it. Lara wasn't a fight about the money it was about pride and getting tired of being called a tw@t online and in person.

[MDPopescu]

There are too many feminist posters around here...

[hitking]

BJS' belt gives him much more leverage in negotiating a fight against Canelo...after hearing Oscar talking about a 90/10 split him having every other belt in that division starts to change public opinion in his favor by my estimation. The problem here is the guy is clearly being ducked but public opinion still isn't exactly siding with him (we typically all know exactly why that is). You say he should look outside of the MW division but who? Lara? I still don't think Lara ever actually wanted a piece of that and it's not going to happen much like a jacobs fight will not happen. He's the mandatory to a lineal belt practically for the third time now, I wouldn't gamble that position either.

I don't think having another belt is gonna do anything for GGG as far as negotiations with Canelo. The hardcore community is pretty much 100% behind GGG in knowing that Canelo's the making negotiations difficult. And the casuals don't care, because GGG is a nobody to them.

[turnedup]

I don't think having another belt is gonna do anything for GGG as far as negotiations with Canelo. The hardcore community is pretty much 100% behind GGG in knowing that Canelo's the making negotiations difficult. And the casuals don't care, because GGG is a nobody to them.

I will flat out disagree and say if it wasn't for the casuals Golovkin's drawing power would be considerably less impactful...considering how many "hardcore" fans literally run to point out his resumes lack of names they respect but we shall see about that negotiation part when it comes to it later this year. One can hope it gets made and if it doesn't the being stripped of the belt will reflect horribly on Alvarez.

[tiliheels]

OK...... That has nothing to do with my post or the post I replied to........

im just telling you he does not compare to them at all..he's is a damn Diva and they are ATG's that tested themselves
154-168...YEA...EXACTLY!

[tiliheels]

They accomplished what they wanted in those divisions they moved up through...this guy hasn't. Not everyone has the same goals in the sport. I could understand the move up argument if this guy had been in this position in his 20's, he's in his early 30's with a mandatory position...would you be willing to jump and skip the lottery if you had the winning numbers for the next drawing?

UM BC THE GUY WHO IS A LOTTO TICKET WONT FIGHT HIM AND THE DEGALE FIGHT COULD BE BUILT UP TO BE HUGE!

ijs..canelo is gay, but ggg is just as gay..call his 155 bluff or F off

[turnedup]

UM BC THE GUY WHO IS A LOTTO TICKET WONT FIGHT HIM AND THE DEGALE FIGHT COULD BE BUILT UP TO BE HUGE!

ijs..canelo is gay, but ggg is just as gay..call his 155 bluff or F off

If that's your position on the subject I have no option but be respectful and accept that for what it is. I think making Canelo appear the chump by not fighting him will speak volumes but maybe i'm looking at this from another perspective. Degale I don't think has anything for Golovkin either but again that's just my opinion.

[hitking]

I will flat out disagree and say if it wasn't for the casuals Golovkin's drawing power would be considerably less impactful...considering how many "hardcore" fans literally run to point out his resumes lack of names they respect but we shall see about that negotiation part when it comes to it later this year. One can hope it gets made and if it doesn't the being stripped of the belt will reflect horribly on Alvarez.

If GGG had a casual fanbase, his fight with Lemieux would have done better in terms of PPV sales. Canelo did 300K buys with Angulo. And that was coming off a loss, against a mediocre opponent, with no titles on the line. That's having a casual fanbase. If you believe the most generous reports (which I don't), GGG managed only half that in a "unification" fight.

As for being stripped reflecting badly on Canelo. Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I have a feeling that Oscar and Arum plan on matching the Pac-Bradley winner against Canelo in Sept. And if that happens, he'll get backlash in the hardcore community. But among casuals, that will be a bigger fight, especially if its Manny.

[turnedup]

If GGG had a casual fanbase, his fight with Lemieux would have done better in terms of PPV sales. Canelo did 300K buys with Angulo. And that was coming off a loss, against a mediocre opponent, with no titles on the line. That's having a casual fanbase. If you believe the most generous reports (which I don't), GGG managed only half that in a "unification" fight.

As for being stripped reflecting badly on Canelo. Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I have a feeling that Oscar and Arum plan on matching the Pac-Bradley winner against Canelo in Sept. And if that happens, he'll get backlash in the hardcore community. But among casuals, that will be a bigger fight, especially if its Manny.

Pacquaio is not fighting Canelo, plain and simple that's not happening. I'll even bet money on the chances of that being zero. Lemieux had less of a following than Angulo, at least Angulo had some history of being in competitive fights, Lemieux was virtually unknown to casuals and after five minutes on this website and most other forums would not have been motivated to buy a ppv bough featuring him. It is what it is we'll just disagree on this too i'm cool with that.