Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter on Saunders Fallout, Canelo is Top Fall Target

[hitking]

Like I said, the reaction here would be very interesting. Whichever way it went. I can't see Lara beating Golovkin in a million years though.

At the end of the day, I'm not nearly as impressed with GGG as you. And that's OK. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm not saying the guy can't fight. I just wanna see him do it against better competition than he's faced so far. Lara is better than anyone currently on Gennady's resume or radar, maybe with the exception if Canelo. Depending on how one thought that fight went. So as a fight fan, I'd be intrigued and a helluva lot more interested in that than I am GGG's unification quest.

[aboutfkntime]

Ward outclasses Golovkin badly, which is why Team Hypekin spat a truckload of silly excuses to avoid that fight.

Ward does everything better than GGG, who is superb, but over-rated.

Golovkin doesn't even have a punchers chance in that fight..... Golovkin doesn't one-punch guys, so whats he gonna do with Ward, get lucky all night?

Golovkin won't even fight Lara, at the risk of not looking good or failing to put him away, so he is not even close to beating Ward who is bigger/faster and likely the most well-rounded fighter in the game today.

[aboutfkntime]

Ward undresses Barrera, and then moves on to Kovalev.

That will be a great fight.

Can't see anything on the horizon for Golovkin, hopefully either Canelo decides to move to 160, or Golovkin agree's to a catchweight.

[Scipio2009]

Man, you're making me work hard for my points!

Here are links to the reports I quoted. The ESPN article also has an interview with the HBO Vice President.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...-per-view-buys

http://boxingjunkie.usatoday.com/201...view-ppv-buys/

A good indication of how well that fight did is that K2 offered BJS considerably more to fight GGG than Lemieux was paid for putting his title on the line.

... or that Billy Joe Saunders, in bringing UK TV money (BoxNation) to the table, while possibly opening the door for a massive UK crowd for the fight, brought more actual money to the table than what Lemieux brought from Canada and the "~$2m gate at MSG". You add that Golovkin's seemingly only other option, at this point, is a fight with Tureano Johnson that no one is excited about, and I wouldn't be shocked if an extra premium was put on top as well.

With Tom Loeffler being the only person to put his name behind any of the numbers discussed for anything (even the person at HBO responsible for counting the PPV returns isn't willing to put his name behind any numbers, only sticking to platitudes), I wouldn't buy into much of what he's said.

[Jsmooth9876]

Lol you beat me to it. I was gonna say Lara for damn sure fight him for less than 3 mil! And Lara's Manager already cleared the air there would be no network trouble, Haymon, trouble etc... Last time I checked Lara has a much bigger name than Saunders. But we know what time it is

Yeah, it's time Lara moves up to 160 and beats Jacobs in his own stable and then call out GGG as his WBA mandatory...

Until then go away Lara....fighting stiffs on Tuesday nights for a million is not bad work if you can get it.. Don't bother with the Charlo brothers or Jrock in your own division and under the same Haymon banner

[Scipio2009]

Have you forgotten what happened to Chad Dawson after he came down to 168 for Ward? And he had a lot longer than 3 weeks to work with.

According to Andre Ward, the reason he fought Smith at 172 was that he wanted to see how his body would react to coming back down close to 168.

After the fight, he announced he would be fighting at 175 from then on. I rest my case.

What I saw in Ward vs Smith was Andre Ward hitting an overweight, unmotivated opponent at will, with multiple clean, full force punches, none of which bothered Smith at all.

If it hadn't been for a cut eye, plus lack of motivation, Smith would have gone the distance with Andre, I have no doubt about that.

Whatever you think about Martin Murray, he is a tough SOB, with a ton of heart, who has been in with some stiff punchers, includind AA at 168, and has never been stopped by anybody but Golovkin.

If GGG can put Martin Murray down, and almost out, with a single punch to the body, he can KO Ward, for sure.

Chad Dawson, after spending the prior 6 years cutting down to fight at 175, wrote a check he couldn't cash (in trying to talk himself into a big fight, he slipped and committed to something, which he found out, he couldn't physically deliver on).

Being careful about the layoff, Ward's camp set the return weight at 172lbs (to see how his body would react from the layoff), but the fact that he was already basically at 172 with three weeks to go made those concerns unwarranted; Ward immediately set his targets on the Golovkin fight at 168 (but lil G and his camp turned chicken****).

When the Golovkin fight ceased being an option, Ward's camp moved on to the next biggest fight that they could lock in, which ended up being Kovalev at 175. not too complicated.

Ward cut Paul Smith's eye, broke Paul Smith's nose, was landing a will to the head and the body with both hands, Smith had already given up on the fight, and you expected Smith to last another 3 and a half rounds? lol.

Golovkin hurt Murray to the body early, Murray recovered from that, and was there the rest of the way, with the fight being stopped with Murray still on his feet (likely making it to through the twelfth in actuality).

Ward, at 160 and in his seventh fight as a pro, was dropped by Darnell Boone (by a shot that he didn't see). 21 fights after that and 11 years later, can you even point to a single other time when Ward showed any real wobble? I doubt it.

should work on your comparisons.

[Scipio2009]

At the end of the day, I'm not nearly as impressed with GGG as you. And that's OK. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm not saying the guy can't fight. I just wanna see him do it against better competition than he's faced so far. Lara is better than anyone currently on Gennady's resume or radar, maybe with the exception if Canelo. Depending on how one thought that fight went. So as a fight fan, I'd be intrigued and a helluva lot more interested in that than I am GGG's unification quest.

^^^^^^this

[Mate_Parlov]

Ward undresses Barrera, and then moves on to Kovalev.

That will be a great fight.

Can't see anything on the horizon for Golovkin, hopefully either Canelo decides to move to 160, or Golovkin agree's to a catchweight.

I've heard a rumor that since BJS is unavailable, Tom Loeffler offered Ward a fight at 168 and in Oakland!!!

Do you know what was Ward response to GGG/Tom?

"I want 90/10 split - the same as Canelo. CAUSE WE AIN'T GOT NO MONEY FOR YOU. NOT GETTING RICH OFF US...

[Scipio2009]

Yeah, it's time Lara moves up to 160 and beats Jacobs in his own stable and then call out GGG as his WBA mandatory...

Until then go away Lara....fighting stiffs on Tuesday nights for a million is not bad work if you can get it.. Don't bother with the Charlo brothers or Jrock in your own division and under the same Haymon banner

lol

With the WBA having already announced that they aren't going to be moving on anything until the Golovkin-Alvarez-WBC situation is squared away, it's rich to see you try and find a way to remove Lara from his Golovkin hunt.

Golovkin fights Johnson, gets handed the WBC belt, fights JS Heiland, prays to God that the Jacobs fight doesn't get mandated (Haymon/Showtime think that the fight is worth more than HBO thinks the fight is worth, compelling him to give up the WBA belt), and you'll likely still be on here, trumpeting the greatness of the guy.

[kafkod]

... or that Billy Joe Saunders, in bringing UK TV money (BoxNation) to the table, while possibly opening the door for a massive UK crowd for the fight, brought more actual money to the table than what Lemieux brought from Canada and the "~$2m gate at MSG". You add that Golovkin's seemingly only other option, at this point, is a fight with Tureano Johnson that no one is excited about, and I wouldn't be shocked if an extra premium was put on top as well.

With Tom Loeffler being the only person to put his name behind any of the numbers discussed for anything (even the person at HBO responsible for counting the PPV returns isn't willing to put his name behind any numbers, only sticking to platitudes), I wouldn't buy into much of what he's said.

TBH, I don't think GGG vs BJS would be a massive fight here in the UK. That's why I knew Frank Warren was bull****ting when he gave the lack of a football stadium venue to stage it in April as one of reasons why he turned down GGG's offer to fight Saunder's over here. No way would it be a major stadium filling fight.

Re what you said about Loeffler and the international TV revenue ... the actual figures are out there and verifiable, to people who care enough and know where to look, and there are plenty who do.

If Loeffler was lying SOMEBODY would be be making that known. Same thing applies to the 150k PPV number he gave out.