Comments Thread For: De La Hoya: If GGG Fight Was Now, Canelo Gets 90-10 Split

[Strych9]

Cowardnelo

So because they want the majority of the money that means they're scared?

LOL ok

90/10 is ridiculous. It just shows what a puss cowardnelo isn't gonna fight ggg.

[titan m]

Love how you ignore while Canelo might not be as big as Chavez or Oscar he is the biggest cash cow right now that's not a debate that's a fact, he is not just "becoming popular" he pulled in the most viewers HBO has seen in a decade and if not for the historic Manny vs Pac fight would of had the highest selling PPV of the year. Besides Pac Floyd made more money fighting Canelo then anyone else in his entire career because of Canelo's fanbase he brought to the table. And he will only be bigger with his win over Cotto and now fighting exclusively on Mexican Holiday dates. Why you think Floyd strategically fought on those dates? Because they add probably an extra 10% in revenue. Well now those are Canelo's dates and will boost his PPVs regardless who he fights.

And on the flip side you ignore that GGG is NOWHERE near the level Oscar was when he faced Chavez or Floyd when he faced Oscar. Both Oscar and Floyd when they faced bigger stars had accomplished far more and were bigger draws then GGG is right now. And if Oscar and Floyd could take fights on a bigger stars terms then so should GGG. This is how it works you have to earn your spot it's not just given.

I didn't ignore anything, my point is Canelo is a popular fighter and might bring in decent money but just because Mayweather is gone doesn't mean Canelo can just take up where he left off.

He's a young popular fighter but not on the level of Mayweather and Pacquiao before the Marquez KO, not many fighters reach that level where pretty much whatever they say goes or no fight.
Canelo obviously gets paid very well for his fights but not even close to what those guys were making because he's not on that superstar level yet like they were but he seems to think he can make the same type of demands.

In the end GGG is the mandatory challenger to Canelos middleweight title so he doesn't need to accept 10% and a catch weight to make the fight happen and if the fight doesn't happen because of those two things its Canelo that looks bad.

[OnePunch]

titan_m I understand your points but I do not really care if its "fair to GGG". I think it is unfair that the larger fighter can get so many things. That said, when they do, and they lose, the winner gets added respect for having overcome so much.

I think GGG should prove that unification is his true goal. For comparison purposes-Floyd wanted to fight ODH, Canelo wanted to fight Floyd, Kov wanted a shot at the LHW title. These men made the financial sacrifices necessary to get what they wanted.

Why can't GGG do the same? This is a question I would like you or another GGG fan to answer.

At some point a line has to be drawn. Should GGG accept the fight for free and give his next 3 fight purses to Canelo as well? Should GGG be required to have his wife blow Canelo? Where do you draw the line? Exactly how low an offer should one be required to accept?

If I were negotiating for GGG, I would accept the following:

158 or higher weight = 70-30 canelos way
157 = 65-35 canelos way

anything else, unbuckle that belt and go **** yourself........

[titan m]

titan_m I understand your points but I do not really care if its "fair to GGG". I think it is unfair that the larger fighter can get so many things. That said, when they do, and they lose, the winner gets added respect for having overcome so much.

I think GGG should prove that unification is his true goal. For comparison purposes-Floyd wanted to fight ODH, Canelo wanted to fight Floyd, Kov wanted a shot at the LHW title. These men made the financial sacrifices necessary to get what they wanted.

Why can't GGG do the same? This is a question I would like you or another GGG fan to answer.

Its not about it being fair to GGG, its about Canelo not having the pull he thinks he does. I agree Canelo is more popular so him getting a bigger cut is more than reasonable if that's what it takes but as far as 10%, GGG would be a fool if he took that and same as the proposed catch weight of 155lbs.

GGG is the mandatory to Canelo's title so he is entitled to more than 10% and has no need to agree to a catch weight for a title he is a mandatory challenger to. Lets say Canelo doesn't make the fight with him and drops the belt over his demands, to me that makes Canelo look bad not GGG.

If that happened GGG picks up his WBC belt and more than likely will stay at middleweight to go for the others as well, then where does that leave Canelo? Right now he's stuck between 154 and 160 and sooner than later will have to go to 160 where GGG is waiting. By that time for Canelo to have any real success at 160 he'll be the one that needs GGG.

[The Big Dunn]

At some point a line has to be drawn. Should GGG accept the fight for free and give his next 3 fight purses to Canelo as well? Should GGG be required to have his wife blow Canelo? Where do you draw the line? Exactly how low an offer should one be required to accept?

If I were negotiating for GGG, I would accept the following:

158 or higher weight = 70-30 canelos way
157 = 65-35 canelos way

anything else, unbuckle that belt and go **** yourself........

You are avoiding the question. STop over exaggerating because you love GGG.

If GGG really wants to unify, he will do whatever it takes to get the fight made, as the fighters in some of the examples I gave did. GGG takes fights where he gets 80-90% of the share-those guys want the payday and a chance on TV so they take it.

Now that GGG is in that position, suddenly he's too good to take it. GTFO. Prove unification is your goal. Take the same payday you get and the same huge split you give your opponents.

[ИATAS]

titan_m I understand your points but I do not really care if its "fair to GGG". I think it is unfair that the larger fighter can get so many things. That said, when they do, and they lose, the winner gets added respect for having overcome so much.

I think GGG should prove that unification is his true goal. For comparison purposes-Floyd wanted to fight ODH, Canelo wanted to fight Floyd, Kov wanted a shot at the LHW title. These men made the financial sacrifices necessary to get what they wanted.

Why can't GGG do the same? This is a question I would like you or another GGG fan to answer.

Seems like everyone in this thread has completely forgotten Golovkin is mandatory nor understands what that means as far as purse splits go. After their next respective fights GGG can simply force his mandatory position. If oscar offered something like 90/10 (which he won't of course but NSB can keep dreaming), they can turn it down and it goes to a PURSE BID. Because Gennady is a champion, not just a WBC mandatory but a champion, the purse split is something like 60/40. So he doesn't have to make some massive financial sacrifice here, it's not necessary. This thread is completely useless because of a thoughtless comment by Oscar that has no weight behind it or any value whatsoever.

[OnePunch]

You are avoiding the question. STop over exaggerating because you love GGG.

If GGG really wants to unify, he will do whatever it takes to get the fight made, as the fighters in some of the examples I gave did. GGG takes fights where he gets 80-90% of the share-those guys want the payday and a chance on TV so they take it.

Now that GGG is in that position, suddenly he's too good to take it. GTFO. Prove unification is your goal. Take the same payday you get and the same huge split you give your opponents.

Thats an idiotic statement, because EVERYTHING has limits.

But just for giggles, give me ONE example of a fighter who has an HBO contract, and who sells out arenas on BOTH coasts, accepting a 10% split as a mandatory challenger.

Hint: you cant.

[The Big Dunn]

Its not about it being fair to GGG, its about Canelo not having the pull he thinks he does. I agree Canelo is more popular so him getting a bigger cut is more than reasonable if that's what it takes but as far as 10%, GGG would be a fool if he took that and same as the proposed catch weight of 155lbs.

GGG is the mandatory to Canelo's title so he is entitled to more than 10% and has no need to agree to a catch weight for a title he is a mandatory challenger to. Lets say Canelo doesn't make the fight with him and drops the belt over his demands, to me that makes Canelo look bad not GGG.

If that happened GGG picks up his WBC belt and more than likely will stay at middleweight to go for the others as well, then where does that leave Canelo? Right now he's stuck between 154 and 160 and sooner than later will have to go to 160 where GGG is waiting. By that time for Canelo to have any real success at 160 he'll be the one that needs GGG.

You are correct, except for the fact that we know GGG doesn't really want the belt, he wants the big payday, which is fine. The reality is Canelo can make other fights. If he drops the belt GGG gets another regular HBO payday against another low caliber opponent and splits thing 85/15 or more.

This offer doesn't give him the boost in pay but does give him a shot at unification-which his fans claim is his real goal.

OK, if it is then take the deal, make the fight, win the fight, and you have what you (allegedly) want. GGG can not take the deal and hope Canelo makes a deal down the road.

It's a small sacrifice if "unification" is really the goal.

[The Big Dunn]

Seems like everyone in this thread has completely forgotten Golovkin is mandatory nor understands what that means as far as purse splits go. After their next respective fights GGG can simply force his mandatory position. If oscar offered something like 90/10 (which he won't of course but NSB can keep dreaming), they can turn it down and it goes to a PURSE BID. Because Gennady is a champion, not just a WBC mandatory but a champion, the purse split is something like 60/40. So he doesn't have to make some massive financial sacrifice here, it's not necessary. This thread is completely useless because of a thoughtless comment by Oscar that has no weight behind it or any value whatsoever.

Agreed, except for the part where Canelo doesn't have to make the GGG fight. You in your heart know GGG doesn't want the Canelo fight for the belt, he wants the massive payday that comes with it.

SO he can do exactly what you said, Canelo drops the belt, and GGG gets another regular payday on regular HBO in with another regular 8-1 underdog. Then he gets the belt, but not the payday.

Everybody's got choices!

[The Big Dunn]

Thats an idiotic statement, because EVERYTHING has limits.

But just for giggles, give me ONE example of a fighter who has an HBO contract, and who sells out arenas on BOTH coasts, accepting a 10% split as a mandatory challenger.

Hint: you cant.

GGG is the mandatory but he wants the belt as much as you want Al Haymon to succeed.

He wants the Canelo payday. If he wanted the belt, he'd take the deal and go after it.