Why do people falsely claim that Haymon refuses to work with other promoters when...

[HAY-B]

[QUOTE=The Big Dunn;16386107]Respectfully, how can it be a 2 way street when HBO banned Haymon?

Not for whatever reason. WHoever wins the bid controls venue and TV network. That would be asking Haymon to help HBO, an entity that banned him and is partners with the 2 companies suing him, profit. Would you do that if you were Haymon? Of course not.

Then KOv should look to leave his HBO deal if it limits his ability to fight places.

Stop oversimplifying. HBO didn't get the fight signed when it should have. That isn't Haymon's fault. Had HBO not banned Haymon, he wouldn't have signed Stevenson as a defensive maneuver to take him to SHO, thus preventing HBO from making the profit off that fight.

Respectfully, Haymon assumes some blame with the moves he has made that prevent HBO signed fighters from getting fights the network might like. That said, the 1st move was HBO banning Haymon. I doubt you would run your business in a way to help HBO if you were Haymon.

Maybe HBO should just bring back Haymon fighters.[/QUOTE]

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[The Big Dunn]

Umm the fight could of been made, yes it would of been HBO, but that is'nt banned. Yes I get the business aspect, but again that is a two way street. Why would HBO do something to help Haymon? Round and round we go. Anyways my larger point is I don't get why people want to defend any of these asshats when they all get in the way of fights getting made. Picking sides just seems silly to me when no one has any kind of concrete proof about anything. Everyone just bases their opinion on the serious of events that have unfolded over the last few years.

You are kind of missing my point. Stevenson wasn't with Haymon. HBO didn't get the fight signed. Haymon came in and signed him (thus the ban comes in play) and got him a deal with SHowtime all to prevent HBO from having a huge fight.

I get your point but there is a clear point where things went south-HBO fires Kerry Davis and bans Haymon. We just can't overlook that.

Its not defending, its just clarifying what happened. I want to see fights get made as well. That said, when discussing this, I think we should be clear and delineate what happened clearly.

I watch fights as many fights as I can, regardless of network, so I am not "picking sides". I do think HBO's exclusive deals are hurting the sport-so I clearly am not neutral.

I just think we should be clear about the facts we do know.

[DreamerUSA]

You are kind of missing my point. Stevenson wasn't with Haymon. HBO didn't get the fight signed. Haymon came in and signed him (thus the ban comes in play) and got him a deal with SHowtime all to prevent HBO from having a huge fight.

I get your point but there is a clear point where things went south-HBO fires Kerry Davis and bans Haymon. We just can't overlook that.

Its not defending, its just clarifying what happened. I want to see fights get made as well. That said, when discussing this, I think we should be clear and delineate what happened clearly.

I watch fights as many fights as I can, regardless of network, so I am not "picking sides". I do think HBO's exclusive deals are hurting the sport-so I clearly am not neutral.

I just think we should be clear about the facts we do know.

The Stevenson vs Kovalev negotions I described were from the most recent attempt to make the fight, not the original. Do you really think Haymon did'nt know there were going to be reprucussions for nabbing Stevenson? I mean you admit in your opening that Al started the shenannigans by swiping Stevenson. So Al ****ed with HBO, HBO ****ed Al back, Al is re****ing HBO and HBO is trying to get back on top to do some more ****ing. Like I said, round and round we go, but the fans are the ones that get ****ed in the end.

[bigdunny1]

Stop the BS about Haymon not working with others because HBO won't allow it.

Exhibit A: The Quillin fight with Korbov which Roc Nation won the purse bid to and offered to pay Quillin a career high pay and it had NOTHING to do with HBO. Haymon has beef with Jay-Z that goes back to the music days and forces his fighter to vacate his belt and turn down a career high payday because his own beefs with Rival promoter Roc Nation and him not wanting to work with them.

Exhibit B: Stevenson who had a deal to fight Kovalev on HBO. He signs with Haymon and backs out the deal and uses the BS excuse that he can get more money fighting Hopkins on Showtime. At this time Golden Boy is now split in 2 and one of the reasons the fight doesn't get done is his beef with Golden Boy who Hopkins is with but again this fight would of only happened on Showtime and would of paid Stevenson more money then any other fight. So he forces Stevenson to pass up a huge fight with Kovalev because he told the world Hopkins was a bigger fight and then passed up that fight too when Showtime and Golden Boy were both ready to go. So he missed out on not 1 but 2 big fights and hasn't gotten a relevant fight since.

Exhibit C: You say HBO won't let Haymon fighters on their network? HBO green lights Kovalev Promoter to make a deal to fight Beterbiev who had been calling and begging to fight Kovalev all year. They offer him a career payday backed and signed off by HBO more then he gets for fighting on undercards for PBC and a direct shot at all kovalev's titles. Haymon forces him to turn it down and go for a title eliminator for less then half the money instead. All because he didn't want his guy fighting on HBO not because HBO refuses to allow it.

It's not just HBO Haymon in a short time has created many enemies and has made it clear he will not let any of his fighters fight on networks or promoter cards that he is feuding with. And besides his own stooge 3rd rate promoters that he has on his payroll we rarely see him working with the other top promoters who have all the best fighters. And we have seen him kill many fights because of it.

[The Big Dunn]

The Stevenson vs Kovalev negotions I described were from the most recent attempt to make the fight, not the original. Do you really think Haymon did'nt know there were going to be reprucussions for nabbing Stevenson? I mean you admit in your opening that Al started the shenannigans by swiping Stevenson. So Al ****ed with HBO, HBO ****ed Al back, Al is re****ing HBO and HBO is trying to get back on top to do some more ****ing. Like I said, round and round we go, but the fans are the ones that get ****ed in the end.

Of course he did. IMO this is why HBO forced Kov to pull out of the purse bid-because they knew Haymon would outbid them and choose the venue and network.

HBO failed to get the fight signed as they should have. They left an opening (very poor business) so Haymon decided to f-ck their plans up. I guess you could say Haymon could have left it alone.

HBO banned Al, had they not, all of this nonsense wouldn't have gone down. If HBO ends the ban, it will end the shenanigans. That seems the easiest and surest way to end all of this.

[The Big Dunn]

Stop the BS about Haymon not working with others because HBO won't allow it.

Exhibit A: The Quillin fight with Korbov which Roc Nation won the purse bid to and offered to pay Quillin a career high pay and it had NOTHING to do with HBO. Haymon has beef with Jay-Z that goes back to the music days and forces his fighter to vacate his belt and turn down a career high payday because his own beefs with Rival promoter Roc Nation and him not wanting to work with them.

Exhibit B: Stevenson who had a deal to fight Kovalev on HBO. He signs with Haymon and backs out the deal and uses the BS excuse that he can get more money fighting Hopkins on Showtime. At this time Golden Boy is now split in 2 and one of the reasons the fight doesn't get done is his beef with Golden Boy who Hopkins is with but again this fight would of only happened on Showtime and would of paid Stevenson more money then any other fight. So he forces Stevenson to pass up a huge fight with Kovalev because he told the world Hopkins was a bigger fight and then passed up that fight too when Showtime and Golden Boy were both ready to go. So he missed out on not 1 but 2 big fights and hasn't gotten a relevant fight since.

Exhibit C: You say HBO won't let Haymon fighters on their network? HBO green lights Kovalev Promoter to make a deal to fight Beterbiev who had been calling and begging to fight Kovalev all year. They offer him a career payday backed and signed off by HBO more then he gets for fighting on undercards for PBC and a direct shot at all kovalev's titles. Haymon forces him to turn it down and go for a title eliminator for less then half the money instead. All because he didn't want his guy fighting on HBO not because HBO refuses to allow it.

It's not just HBO Haymon in a short time has created many enemies and has made it clear he will not let any of his fighters fight on networks or promoter cards that he is feuding with. And besides his own stooge 3rd rate promoters that he has on his payroll we rarely see him working with the other top promoters who have all the best fighters. And we have seen him kill many fights because of it.

Had HBO not banned Haymon, none of the other things would matter. If HBO announces they are bringing HAymon fighters back, all of this goes away.

Very simple.

[bigdunny1]

Of course he did. IMO this is why HBO forced Kov to pull out of the purse bid-because they knew Haymon would outbid them and choose the venue and network.

HBO failed to get the fight signed as they should have. They left an opening (very poor business) so Haymon decided to f-ck their plans up. I guess you could say Haymon could have left it alone.

HBO banned Al, had they not, all of this nonsense wouldn't have gone down. If HBO ends the ban, it will end the shenanigans. That seems the easiest and surest way to end all of this.

HBO was not involved with the purse bid for Quillin yet Haymon still killed that fight and refuses to work with Roc Nation who have Ward and Cotto 2 huge names in divisions where Haymon has numerous fighters but you never hear their names mentioned as opponents because it's a known fact Haymon hates Jay-Z and will not work with him. That has zero to do with HBO and everything to do with how Haymon chooses to do business which alienates himself.

[OnePunch]

Of course he did. IMO this is why HBO forced Kov to pull out of the purse bid-because they knew Haymon would outbid them and choose the venue and network.

HBO failed to get the fight signed as they should have. They left an opening (very poor business) so Haymon decided to f-ck their plans up. I guess you could say Haymon could have left it alone.

HBO banned Al, had they not, all of this nonsense wouldn't have gone down. If HBO ends the ban, it will end the shenanigans. That seems the easiest and surest way to end all of this.

HBO did not force Kov to do anything. That was Duvas decision. And it was ****** because she would have lost nothing by going through with the bid. If she wins the bid, HBO does the fight (if Al doesnt pull out). If she loses the bid, she pulls out after the bid same as Haymon did with Quillin-Korobov.

Not going through with the bid was dumb on her part

[bigdunny1]

Had HBO not banned Haymon, none of the other things would matter. If HBO announces they are bringing HAymon fighters back, all of this goes away.

Very simple.

HBO has stated numerous times that HBO signed fighters are allowed to fight Haymon fighters on their network. And they most recently proved this by green lighting a huge offer for Beterbiev to fight on HBO against Kovalev. But what did Haymon say? Nope and forced him to turn the offer down because he refuses to let his guys fight on HBO. What HBO refuses to do is allow Haymon to go back to putting on mismatches on HBO for his fighters at ridiculous prices. They let PBC investors waste their money on crap like that. But you sound dumb saying HBO won't allow Haymon on their network when Beterbiev turned down an HBO offer just a few months ago

[The Big Dunn]

HBO was not involved with the purse bid for Quillin yet Haymon still killed that fight and refuses to work with Roc Nation who have Ward and Cotto 2 huge names in divisions where Haymon has numerous fighters but you never hear their names mentioned as opponents because it's a known fact Haymon hates Jay-Z and will not work with him. That has zero to do with HBO and everything to do with how Haymon chooses to do business which alienates himself.

Haymon and Jay Z have a dispute that goes back prior to both entering boxing. You know this, yet are pretending the fact isn't what caused the problems with this fight.

Haymon isn't working with the 3 promoters who are either suing him or are led by a man who is married to a woman who did sue him. Anyone with an ounce of common sense understands why Haymon isn't working with these 3 companies.