Now the dust has settled on May 2 - Manny and PED accusations

[IMDAZED]

You say that but I thought 8 or 9 was close (can't remember which), and thought 10 could have been given to Pacquiao. But agree that Floyd was better in the championship rounds.

To be honest I had it 5-3 after 8 that is what I remember. So conceivably my score would be 9-3 8-4, could see 10-2.

What do you make of the whole PED angle? Did you expect Floyd to be more dominant? Do you think Manny looked any different?

Find out which one so we can disprove it. 8 and 9 weren't close. Neither was 7.

[sunny31]

It was competitive for six rounds.

Find out which one so we can disprove it. 8 and 9 weren't close. Neither was 7.

Just watched them now - 8 was close for 2 minutes then Floyd clearly pulled away, very clear round. Round 9 was hard to score because very little was landed but again I would actually lean towards Floyd because he landed two clean right hands to Manny's one left hand, what I call a Willie Pep round.

[IMDAZED]

Just watched them now - 8 was close for 2 minutes then Floyd clearly pulled away, very clear round. Round 9 was hard to score because very little was landed but again I would actually lean towards Floyd because he landed two clean right hands to Manny's one left hand, what I call a Willie Pep round.

Agree to disagree. Pacquiao lost both quite clearly. In the eighth he ate two big left hooks that had him moonwalking for the remainder of the round. He rightly lost both rounds on all three judges, Harold Lederman, and Steve Farhood's cards.

So as it stands, it was competitive up to round six (even at best), then Manny lost three rounds in a row, maybe won the 10th and that was that.

[Zaroku]

Manny did his one dimensional best, but it was not good enough.
I don't understand the deep seated pain that generated this thread.
Castillo & Maidana did much better than Mr. Excuseiou Pacman.

He did not even come as close as Castillo 1, and yet we have slow mo ****s, alternative reality, rose colored glasses type guys wanting to give the Pumpkin headed Pinoy boy credit for losing to a better fighter????

Ok. Ok

I apologize:

Manny you were awesome against Floyd. If God didn't trick you into losing, you beat Floyd. If that idiot Floyd would have stayed in front of you, you beat Floyd. If your socks were not from the dollar tree store, you beat Floyd easy. If judges watched the fight in FilAm slow motion with idiotic commentary, then you beat Floyd. If you had your shot, water, vitamins, a smaller head, & less excuses, you beat Floyd.

Manny you are the greatest of the greats. You got KTFO better than most fighters I have ever seen.

Manny for President of the Philippines

[sunny31]

Agree to disagree. Pacquiao lost both quite clearly. In the eighth he ate two big left hooks that had him moonwalking for the remainder of the round. He rightly lost both rounds on all three judges, Harold Lederman, and Steve Farhood's cards.

So as it stands, it was competitive up to round six (even at best), then Manny lost three rounds in a row, maybe won the 10th and that was that.

Yeah I might agree with that but my point of the thread was never about the scorecards. Floyd's work was not overly impressive, he was never allowed to takeover in any round, he did enough, he almost fenced Pacquiao for most of the fight. He didn't have a round where he really busted Pacquiao up like he did almost every other fighter he fought. I think he had a lot of respect for the power and speed, and I definitely think everyone underestimated Manny's technical ability, defensive, and boxing ability, including Floyd.

They were so adamant that he was cheating, how would they not?

[IMDAZED]

Yeah I might agree with that but my point of the thread was never about the scorecards. Floyd's work was not overly impressive, he was never allowed to takeover in any round, he did enough, he almost fenced Pacquiao for most of the fight. He didn't have a round where he really busted Pacquiao up like he did almost every other fighter he fought. I think he had a lot of respect for the power and speed, and I definitely think everyone underestimated Manny's technical ability, defensive, and boxing ability, including Floyd.

They were so adamant that he was cheating, how would they not?

Or maybe at 38, Floyd does what he needs to do to win rounds. Not like he had any reason to do more. Manny was stymied.

[FrankieClutch]

You say that but I thought 8 or 9 was close (can't remember which), and thought 10 could have been given to Pacquiao. But agree that Floyd was better in the championship rounds.

To be honest I had it 5-3 after 8 that is what I remember. So conceivably my score would be 9-3 8-4, could see 10-2.

What do you make of the whole PED angle? Did you expect Floyd to be more dominant? Do you think Manny looked any different?

Rounds 11 and 12 were what gave Floyd the fight on my card. I had it 5-5 after 10.

[sunny31]

Or maybe at 38, Floyd does what he needs to do to win rounds. Not like he had any reason to do more. Manny was stymied.

I think he has always had that attitude more or less, although he has turned it on in certain fights i.e. Corley, and Mosley funnily enough fights were he was hurt also. Ultimately I think you have to give Pacquaio credit for limiting Floyd, he fought a good defensive fight, he has abnormally fast feet, he presented a lot of problems. I think Floyd said as much, something along the lines of 'he was better than I thought'.

What did you honestly think would happen before the fight? (for the second time)

I thought Floyd was going to show to be the puncher, in the sense that he could take Pac's shots and Pac couldn't take his, so I was surprised that that wasn't the case.

[IMDAZED]

I think he has always had that attitude more or less, although he has turned it on in certain fights i.e. Corley, and Mosley funnily enough fights were he was hurt also. Ultimately I think you have to give Pacquaio credit for limiting Floyd, he fought a good defensive fight, he has abnormally fast feet, he presented a lot of problems. I think Floyd said as much, something along the lines of 'he was better than I thought'.

What did you honestly think would happen before the fight? (for the second time)

I thought Floyd was going to show to be the puncher, in the sense that he could take Pac's shots and Pac couldn't take his, so I was surprised that that wasn't the case.

Nah he hasn't always had that attitude. No need to "think" he did. Simply watch fights of his in his prime. He threw much more from 1998-2008.

And I thought it would be competitive early, that Pacquiao would realize he was behind, go for it, expend himself and get stopped. Instead it was competitive early, Pacquiao fell behind and decided losing a UD and claiming his shoulder hurt was a better plan.

[sunny31]

Rounds 11 and 12 were what gave Floyd the fight on my card. I had it 5-5 after 10.

I think thats a stretch but shows how subjective scoring can be. Some of the rounds were so low contact that it was difficult to score them. I think Floyd was hitting gloves a fair bit also. I really feel Floyd's jab made the difference, in terms of power shots there wasn't much in it.