Now the dust has settled on May 2 - Manny and PED accusations

[Lester Tutor]

All that was missing is him admitting he actually lost to Pacquiao

Gatti looked swift in the 1st round against Floyd with his hop back defense... now imagine Floyd doing that 12 rounds to Marquez, the guy that proved to be a better fighter than Pac, and made Pac dream outside his own bed, or when asked by who was better Floyd or Pac, Marquez said Floyd wins because he fought him... same interview Pac says I need that "agression" like in my old days, when I got KO'd twice in his earlier career. Pac could go in there with two shoulder injuries with a 10% accuracy and end up "i think I won the fight." Many months later Roach's own trainer, either by point system or not (lol) says Pacquiao lost.

Yeah that Manny Pacquiao... #48. Easy work.

[Clegg]

Pacquiao threw less and landed less than Berto did. Talk of slow-motion replays and posts that are too long for anyone to ever read don't change that. Spent years making promises, didn't deliver and then made excuses.

As for the PED rumours, I don't think either are clean. You surely have to be a big fan of theirs to believe that they've never used illegal substances. Seems to me Manny used primarily during his time training with Ariza. Floyd knew it too which is why he hired him. Both were already super-talented world champions before that point but their achievements are tainted.

The hypocrisy from fans on the whole issue was always laughable, you had Floyd fans spending every day spamming this place with threads on how Pac's resume was all just cherry picks and his wins were unimpressive, then Floyd Sr accused him of using roids and suddenly all of his wins were so incredible that it was impossible for him to be clean, literally they changed stance overnight to suit the agenda. Then you have Pacquiao fans telling us that it's reasonable for us to miss out on the fight because Pac with his multiple tattoos has a fear of needles or will be blood drained if tested a week before the fight.

After getting knocked out Manny didn't look as good, not shot but declined physically and mentally as well as likely off the roids, so it's no big surprise how his fight with Floyd went. He had a chance to make the fight when he was closer to his prime and backed out to avoid a drugs test. It sucks because he was such an entertaining, ballsy fighter but the facts are what they are.

[Furn]

Persnally I think Manny had the wrong gameplan.

If he was going to win he had to get ahead early and make Floyd have to play catch up. Once FLoyd got ahead, he was able to control the pace of the fight and let Manny have the odd round when he did land something good.

Manny had to go out and throw caution into the wind and win those first 3 rounds nad he could have because thats when Floyd is his most cautious and he would have been eve nmore so against Pac.

Then if Pac was up say 3-0 he might have been able to edge enough rounds to get the win or even get Floyd hurt because he would have had to force the pace a bit more.

Once Floyd was ahead then Pacs only chance was a one in 1000 shot which never came.

[IMDAZED]

Persnally I think Manny had the wrong gameplan.

If he was going to win he had to get ahead early and make Floyd have to play catch up. Once FLoyd got ahead, he was able to control the pace of the fight and let Manny have the odd round when he did land something good.

Manny had to go out and throw caution into the wind and win those first 3 rounds nad he could have because thats when Floyd is his most cautious and he would have been eve nmore so against Pac.

Then if Pac was up say 3-0 he might have been able to edge enough rounds to get the win or even get Floyd hurt because he would have had to force the pace a bit more.

Once Floyd was ahead then Pacs only chance was a one in 1000 shot which never came.

Floyd took that away from him in round one by backing him up. And that first hard right made Manny think twice about throwing caution to the wind.

[Lester Tutor]

The hypocrisy from fans on the whole issue was always laughable

Yes the irony of the one whistleblower and master goon of HBO and BWAA, Thomas Hauser. Is this the hypocrisy you are referring to? If they all juice, then what the hell is Hauser on about? Lol

Yeah, boxing certainly doesn't have racism. Where's Hauser as of late? Did industry heads sign non disclosure agreements to settle scores? Didn't Hauser weep on Yuri Foreman's loss? Didn't he blame the ref. Did weird towels flying in the ring? Boxing's rigged fights.. dear lord..oh my...what are we to do?!

Perhaps the dust was all an attempt to discredit win #49 at all costs hopefully? Seems like the BWAA does more harm to boxing than good. Oh noes Sugar just said that!?

[Reloaded]

Persnally I think Manny had the wrong gameplan.

If he was going to win he had to get ahead early and make Floyd have to play catch up. Once FLoyd got ahead, he was able to control the pace of the fight and let Manny have the odd round when he did land something good.

Manny had to go out and throw caution into the wind and win those first 3 rounds nad he could have because thats when Floyd is his most cautious and he would have been eve nmore so against Pac.

Then if Pac was up say 3-0 he might have been able to edge enough rounds to get the win or even get Floyd hurt because he would have had to force the pace a bit more.

Once Floyd was ahead then Pacs only chance was a one in 1000 shot which never came.

The biggest let down was Manny , dont people remember that he had the best camp he has ever had , that he was punching harder than he ever has that he was going to destroy Floyd , this stuff was day in and day out , and a guy with a busted shoulder is telling his countrymen to bet on him and that he will NOT lose , taking selfies on the way to the ring .

I dont believe it was the game plan , a game plan is only good if you can do it , Manny lost because Manny does not posses the ability to beat Floyd never did never will dont matter what game plan he had he isnt good enough , the rest is just lame loser excuses .

[Zaroku]

Gatti looked swift in the 1st round against Floyd with his hop back defense... now imagine Floyd doing that 12 rounds to Marquez, the guy that proved to be a better fighter than Pac, and made Pac dream outside his own bed, or when asked by who was better Floyd or Pac, Marquez said Floyd wins because he fought him... same interview Pac says I need that "agression" like in my old days, when I got KO'd twice in his earlier career. Pac could go in there with two shoulder injuries with a 10% accuracy and end up "i think I won the fight." Many months later Roach's own trainer, either by point system or not (lol) says Pacquiao lost.

Yeah that Manny Pacquiao... #48. Easy work.

PAC lacks the class to admit Floyd beat him. It was easy work for Floyd. Now, we have the slow mo **** brigade trying to liberate PAC from defeat. Watching & rewatching "evidence" in slow motion, adding commentary in an "unbiased" attempt to restore PAC as a hero.

It is beyond funny.

But Miss Universe got revenge on Floyd. She redeemed & motivated PAC to fight Bradley, and restore his nation to a fictional greatness.

[Zaroku]

The biggest let down was Manny , dont people remember that he had the best camp he has ever had , that he was punching harder than he ever has that he was going to destroy Floyd , this stuff was day in and day out , and a guy with a busted shoulder is telling his countrymen to bet on him and that he will NOT lose , taking selfies on the way to the ring .

I dont believe it was the game plan , a game plan is only good if you can do it , Manny lost because Manny does not posses the ability to beat Floyd never did never will dont matter what game plan he had he isnt good enough , the rest is just lame loser excuses .

When his game plan failed, he pulled the emergency excuse parachute, which also didn't fully deploy. Sore loser. PAC lacks class!

[Rath]

personal opinion, boxers opinion, trainers opinion, retired judges opinion, and posters opinion does not really matter.

what matter is fact and concrete evidences.

final score card says red corner won fact.

spoon's slowmo videos (which until now was never disputed) showed who really won. Fact.

genius Floyd fans Facts

tears

lives ruined

stop whining

move on

and let it go.

[Reloaded]

personal opinion, boxers opinion, trainers opinion, retired judges opinion, and posters opinion does not really matter.

what matter is fact and concrete evidences.

final score card says red corner won fact.

spoon's slowmo videos (which until now was never disputed) showed who really won. Fact.

genius Floyd fans Facts

tears

lives ruined

stop whining

move on

and let it go.

Spoons videos are biased and hacked with special parts left out , the parts where Manny was beat and looked lost at sea , nobody has made a video of Floyd with the same bias because nobody cares he won and everybody but a few Manny fanboys thinks other wise .

The only official true video we all see is full and uncut and Floyd won says the vast majority of the world including the decision of the judges of the fight itself .

Rath and Spoon are a pair or the same desperate child , wallowing in self pity because their childhood hero was proven to be a chump , dont blame all others because you got ****** in to the hype you refused to listen then just like now , you had choices and you made the wrong choice all on your own , the fault lay with you and your ignorance to boxing .