how come floyd avoiding margs for baldomir was a smart business move but ggg cant...

[The Akbar One]

...continue to rack up wins in his own weight class and try to unify in a huge mega-fight against a popular ppv fighter in canelo? (which would do solid numbers on ppv btw)

why are certain critics making such a big deal that he didn't move to 168 where the talent pool is weak to begin with? who could ggg fight at 168 that would get it's own ppv? even if ward's irrelevant ass was still in that weight class (which he isn't), it still wouldn't generate as much buzz as a fight against canelo. no one outside of hardcore boxing fans and swag happy hipsters from oakland even know who he is.

Floyd already had several years worth of facing top contenders and the best opposition under his belt. Floyd's opposition the first 34 fights of his career is 180 degrees opposite of Golovkin's. He actually fought the fights.

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Floyd already had several years worth of facing top contenders and the best opposition under his belt. Floyd's opposition the first 34 fights of his career is 180 degrees opposite of Golovkin's. He actually fought the fights.

so basically what you are saying is that if ggg beats a couple good fighters he's allowed to duck like floyd did? i understand the floyd mindset perfectly now. thanks for the insight.

[HanzGruber]

floyd fans still pretending floyd didn't duck marg?

he was offered 7 million but he fought sharmba for 4 million, then zab for 5 million. that's called ducking. then during the next round of negotiations he would have fought marg but he wanted a 20 million guarantee for the oscar fight...he only got a 10 million guarantee when he actually fought oscar. its like quillin saying he wants 10 million to fight ggg. not possible and everyone knew it wasn't possible. 3 different times he ducked the fight. just choose one! floyd fans can't choose any because they are fanboys so what do you expect.

You just love spewing bs don't you lol. http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

You gennady groupies love talking bidness when it comes to why gg shouldn't fight ward. But Floyd makes a good move and he's wrong for it.

"Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.

"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said."

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Because the Baldomir fight was for the lineal title. We criticizing fighters for fighting for lineal titles now? The "dangerous" Margarito went on to get outboxed by Paul Williams doing a poor mans Mayweather impression.

you really think that was the reason...

so marg wasn't dangerous? why did floyd fight lesser fightes for less money then? because people were trying to make him lose as he puts it.

williams did not do a poor mans floyd impression. he threw a ton of punches with a 7 inch reach advantage over floyd. floyd doesn't do that. he picks his shots. hell crappy baldomir was constantly getting him to the ropes but he couldn't capitalize since he's a basic fighter who doesn't have the punch variety of marg, or the work rate, or the power, but he was lineal so yea

[Outwest Exp 355]

you really think that was the reason...

so marg wasn't dangerous? why did floyd fight lesser fightes for less money then? because people were trying to make him lose as he puts it.

williams did not do a poor mans floyd impression. he threw a ton of punches with a 7 inch reach advantage over floyd. floyd doesn't do that. he picks his shots. hell crappy baldomir was constantly getting him to the ropes but he couldn't capitalize since he's a basic fighter who doesn't have the punch variety of marg, or the work rate, or the power, but he was lineal so yea

Margarito never beat anybody on Judah's level at the time. Hell if you take out the Cotto fight he still hasn't till this day.

[Dip_Slide]

You seem to forget that Floyd was having a lot of problems with Bob Arum and wanted it to leave him and be on his own, and he knew that Arum was going to make sure that Margarito gets the win if they fought before Mayweather leaves him, this way he's passed the torch from Floyd to his next possible mexican star Margarito, Arum did something a bit similar with Pacquiao Bradley I cuz Pacquiao's contract was about to run out, so what Floyd did was in retrospect a smart decision to dump Arum who was very bad for Floyd's career at the time, be on his own, and fight the next best possible welterweight who wasn't with Bob Arum who Floyd had just quit fighting for and was suing at the time, and that guy was the Lineal 147 champion at the time Carlos Baldomir who was coming off the biggest win of his career.

Floyd himself said this before but people didn't listen and he didn't care, this decision is what helped Floyd become the superstar that he became after being stuck with Bob Arum for 9 years and getting to be in only 2 PPV fights and making much less than he deserved, for someone with Floyd's talent, olympic pedigree, backstory and persona, he should've become a PPV star much earlier than he did, he was just with the wrong people and we saw the difference when he got with the right people.

GGG is not having promotional problems as far as I know, and 160 isn't his 4th weight class either, so the 2 situations aren'T even comprabale.

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You just love spewing bs don't you lol. http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

You gennady groupies love talking bidness when it comes to why gg shouldn't fight ward. But Floyd makes a good move and he's wrong for it.

"Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.

"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said."

floyd made a good move by fighting sharmba for 4 million instead of marg for 7? really now?

floyd made a good move by fighting judah for 5 millino instead of marg for 7? really now?

your comprehension is low. very low. its like you read things without understanding what they are even saying. floyd asked for a 20 million guarantee. of course arum would be working with such a small percentage if he agreed to that. we know this for a fact because when floyd actually fought oscar he was more than happy to accept a 10 million guarantee. there's much less risk in giving a guy 10 million as opposed to 20 millino. so the one who essentially killed the fight was once again floyd. if floyd had agreed to something reasonable like 10 million when he was with top rank, arum would not have to say he would be working for such a small percentage and would be more likely to do the fight. so stop trying to blame arum simply because he understands numbers and you don't. it was floyd who asked for the unreasonable guarantee which torpedoed the fight.

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You seem to forget that Floyd was having a lot of problems with Bob Arum and wanted it to leave him and be on his own, and he knew that Arum was going to make sure that Margarito gets the win if they fought before Mayweather leaves him, this way he's passed the torch from Floyd to his next possible mexican star Margarito, Arum did something a bit similar with Pacquiao Bradley I cuz Pacquiao's contract was about to run out, so what Floyd did was in retrospect a smart decision to dump Arum who was very bad for Floyd's career at the time, be on his own, and fight the next best possible welterweight who wasn't with Bob Arum who Floyd had just quit fighting for and was suing at the time, and that guy was the Lineal 147 champion at the time Carlos Baldomir who was coming off the biggest win of his career.

Floyd himself said this before but people didn't listen and he didn't care, this decision is what helped Floyd become the superstar that he became after being stuck with Bob Arum for 9 years and getting to be in only 2 PPV fights and making much less than he deserved, for someone with Floyd's talent, olympic pedigree, backstory and persona, he should've become a PPV star much earlier than he did, he was just with the wrong people and we saw the difference when he got with the right people.

GGG is not having promotional problems as far as I know, and 160 isn't his 4th weight class either, so the 2 situations aren'T even comprabale.

hahahaha i called it a couple posts back. floyd thought people were trying to make him lose so he didn't fight the top guys. hilarious. if anyone else in boxing said that he would be creamed but floyd fans actually believe in it. how dare they try to make floyd lose by matching him with the #1 guy in the division! its unfair! they trying to make him lose

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floyd made a good move by fighting sharmba for 4 million instead of marg for 7? really now?

floyd made a good move by fighting judah for 5 millino instead of marg for 7? really now?

your comprehension is low. very low. its like you read things without understanding what they are even saying. floyd asked for a 20 million guarantee. of course arum would be working with such a small percentage if he agreed to that. we know this for a fact because when floyd actually fought oscar he was more than happy to accept a 10 million guarantee. there's much less risk in giving a guy 10 million as opposed to 20 millino. so the one who essentially killed the fight was once again floyd. if floyd had agreed to something reasonable like 10 million when he was with top rank, arum would not have to say he would be working for such a small percentage and would be more likely to do the fight. so stop trying to blame arum simply because he understands numbers and you don't.

You only look under your feet, u can read my previous post for more details about why Mayweathr made the right decision to leave Arum, but even if you don't wanna read it, I'll tell you what: whatever Floyd Mayweather did in his career as far as business was right, there's a reason why he became the highest paid athlete in the world and the highest paid boxer of all times while holding the first 3 places in the most selling PPV fights ever, so you trying to downplay that it just a desperate attempt to try to discredit Floyd Mayweather and you shouldn't feel bad about it cuz u r not the only one here, but when it's all said and done the man is the richest athlete in the world and he retired as the richest PRIZE FIGHTER in history.

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You seem to forget that Floyd was having a lot of problems with Bob Arum and wanted it to leave him and be on his own, and he knew that Arum was going to make sure that Margarito gets the win if they fought before Mayweather leaves him, this way he's passed the torch from Floyd to his next possible mexican star Margarito, Arum did something a bit similar with Pacquiao Bradley I cuz Pacquiao's contract was about to run out, so what Floyd did was in retrospect a smart decision to dump Arum who was very bad for Floyd's career at the time, be on his own, and fight the next best possible welterweight who wasn't with Bob Arum who Floyd had just quit fighting for and was suing at the time, and that guy was the Lineal 147 champion at the time Carlos Baldomir who was coming off the biggest win of his career.

Floyd himself said this before but people didn't listen and he didn't care, this decision is what helped Floyd become the superstar that he became after being stuck with Bob Arum for 9 years and getting to be in only 2 PPV fights and making much less than he deserved, for someone with Floyd's talent, olympic pedigree, backstory and persona, he should've become a PPV star much earlier than he did, he was just with the wrong people and we saw the difference when he got with the right people.

GGG is not having promotional problems as far as I know, and 160 isn't his 4th weight class either, so the 2 situations aren'T even comprabale.

so if you are in your 4th weight class you are allowed to cherry pick? more insight into the mind of a floyd fan. also ggg was fighting at 140 at age 18. floyd was fighting at 130 at age 18. so yea they both have moved up 4 divisions if you want to compare equal things. ggg stayed amateur though so i guess it doesn't count for him. he should have turned pro at 140 so he could cherry pick at 1600 now.