Do YOU consider any PBC fighter to be top 10 p4p?

[PK3434]

No. PBC is an outfit filled with solid to very good fighters. They have a few great potential pound 4 pound guys like Spence, but nobody currently.

[-PBP-]

Nah . Erislandy Lara is the best fighter on PBC right now and he's still in search of that signature win.

[boliodogs]

I keep close track of top boxers and watch them fight whenever I get the chance but I pay little attention to what network they are on and I really don't know what network they fight on except the obvious HBO guys.My top ten pound for pound right now are Gonzalez, GGG, Kovalev, Rigo, Canelo, Pacquiao, Ward, Santa Cruz, Walters, and Cotto in that order. Lara and Loma would be my 11th and 12th best pound for pound. I know most of my top 12 pound for pound fight on HBO but I am not sure about Ward, Lara and Cotto. I think Ward is going with HBO to fight Kovalev but I am not sure.

[Eff Pandas]

I think there are few factors why there aren't any PBC guys ranked P4P. The most impactful of which is the best PBC fighters aren't very established or established at all at the world class level.

Thurman, hasn't been a title holder THAT long, but the Porter fight should put the winner into the P4P discussion
Stevenson, arguably P4P, but his opposition has went down overall with PBC, no debating that
Charlo brothers, one brother just won a title the other hasn't even won one yet
Lara, is P4P arguably (he's still undefeated in my record book), but he's been neglected with PBC thus far in meaningless fights that are doing nothing for his status in the game
Santa Cruz, Selby & Russell, these guys need to be matched up & the winner will for sure get on the P4P list
DeGale, seems on the verge of being in the P4P talks
Julian Williams, Errol Spence & Artur Beterbiev, seem like potential P4P guys, but need to win a title first & get in a few defenses

So it does seem like there are a lot of possibilities of PBC making more impact on the P4P list in the near future, but guys just need to get more established & guys who should be in the discussion now like Stevenson & Lara need more demanding opposition so more media members are bringing them up more often & its obvious not arguably they should be among the P4P.

[Boxfan83]

I think there are few factors why there aren't any PBC guys ranked P4P. The most impactful of which is the best PBC fighters aren't very established or established at all at the world class level.

Thurman, hasn't been a title holder THAT long, but the Porter fight should put the winner into the P4P discussion
Stevenson, arguably P4P, but his opposition has went down overall with PBC, no debating that
Charlo brothers, one brother just won a title the other hasn't even won one yet
Lara, is P4P arguably (he's still undefeated in my record book), but he's been neglected with PBC thus far in meaningless fights that are doing nothing for his status in the game
Santa Cruz, Selby & Russell, these guys need to be matched up & the winner will for sure get on the P4P list
DeGale, seems on the verge of being in the P4P talks
Julian Williams, Errol Spence & Artur Beterbiev, seem like potential P4P guys, but need to win a title first & get in a few defenses

So it does seem like there are a lot of possibilities of PBC making more impact on the P4P list in the near future, but guys just need to get more established & guys who should be in the discussion now like Stevenson & Lara need more demanding opposition so more media members are bringing them up more often & its obvious not arguably they should be among the P4P.

It seems to be a trend as you have pointed out that PBC definitely has the potential p4p fighters but their oppositions after good wins are horrible. I noticed you mentioned all but Danny Jacobs, dont you think after his KO of Quillen he should be at least #10? GGG"s ranked inside of top 5 by most publications, I have a feeling if he wouldve beat Quillen the way he Jacobs did, they might consider him #1 or 2...

[Eff Pandas]

And it has nothing to do with HBO

Idk if I'd say this. I actually think being an HBO fighter gives one added value to most fans & media. All else being equal I think if you are with HBO you get more consideration. Not HBO's fault or anything or a bad thing, they earned that status over decades, but I believe this to be true.

Its like if you met someone & they told you they played college football & then upon further discussion you found out they played either Div. I or Div. III. Anyone who knows anything about college football will immediately see the Div. I guy in a better light regardless if he rode the bench or was the 3rd string punter than the Div. III guy.

If that has any impact in P4P voting for different media who rank P4P is highly debatable, but I believe it a perception that fans & media share & it has benefit to the fighters with HBO.

[soul_survivor]

If so who and why?

After watching The Fight Game on HBO, I heard Lampley and BHop comment on how there are no PBC fighters ranked in the top 10. So I went on The Ring website and a couple various other boxing websites and realized that no one is ranking any PBC boxer in the top 10. I understand HBO and Ring Magazine are bias but other publications like Espn and a couple of other smaller sports websites dont have any PBC in their top ten either. Why do you think that is?

I'd have Stevenson there, surely, he is sharing the LHW spotlight with Kovalev and all we really need is a fight between the two.

Garcia is the only other guy who may have a shot at P4P from the PBC guys. The problem is, he hasn't faced any one of note in over a year, so 2016 is all set for him to make noise at 147, sadly, Pacquiao and Bradley, with TC likely to move up too, are all Top Rank. That's not to mention Matthysse and Provo who will likely fight on HBO.

Unless Haymon sits down and gets Porter, Thurman, Khan and DG to fight each other, he will be wasting talent that could very well be p4p.

[NEETzsche]

if you believe garcia beat peterson and herrera then he should be there. however i had him losing both of those fights

i'd love to see williams-lara next year. the winner would be a shoo-in for credible top 10 p4p lists

[Eff Pandas]

It seems to be a trend as you have pointed out that PBC definitely has the potential p4p fighters but their oppositions after good wins are horrible.

There clearly is an ebb & flow to how PBC fighters schedule things that that isn't good for fans or PBC as a business. If nothing else when Quillin is fighting a stripper or Omar Figueroa is fighting 3 divisions or whatever above where he's had his success maybe throw those bs fights on Fox Sports 1 & hide them a lil more.

I noticed you mentioned all but Danny Jacobs, dont you think after his KO of Quillen he should be at least #10? GGG"s ranked inside of top 5 by most publications, I have a feeling if he wouldve beat Quillen the way he Jacobs did, they might consider him #1 or 2...

Idk about the GGG being #1 thing. I believe GGG to get a lot of undeserved criticism. He's got the best overall 160lb resume of any title holder there. Okay maybe Canelo & Jacobs gots better specific W's vs Cotto & Quillin, but there is at least an argument to be made for GGG that he's trying to fight the best guys out there & not just be gifted vacated titles & they'd rather not fight him. He does got a lot of fanboys that think his farts smell like love doe is maybe my biggest GGG issue.

As for Jacobs I've just never thought too much of him talent-wise. Definitely a super impressive W vs Quillin. And for full disclosure I picked Quillin to win as I felt Quillin dealt with Lee's power well enough that Jacobs would be more easily dealt with. Plus Jacobs got dropped by Sergio Mora, who dreams of having Tim Bradley power, last time out. I just don't see much long term P4P level ability with him & he kinda seems like a highly level, more skilled version of Wilder where if he loses to any random contender it won't be a shock to me.

[bojangles1987]

I actually do have Garcia in my top 10.

Who has a better resume than he does at 140? He beat Khan, Matthysse and Peterson (technically at WW since it was a CW). That alone is grounds for P4P, however since most organizations are biased against Haymon/PBC, they refuse to acknowledge Garcia's P4P status. They'll never forgive him for the Salka fight. It's almost as if Salka is on their minds more than the boogeyman Matthysse who Garcia steamrolled.

I had him there after Matthysse but he has lost and looked unimpressive since. I can't possibly say he's one of the 10 best fighters in the sport.