Duva makes her case for Kovalev being better than GGG

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  • HeroBando
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    #31
    Originally posted by aldo5408
    His promoter, every chance he gets he brags about how gg is a mega superstar
    Would gg take short money to fight quillin? Jacobs? No. No and no
    Why should he take short money vs those guys? He is easily the bigger draw, by a mile. He usually concedes a very generous split for the challenger eg 2m vs Lemieux 1.5m. Remember he signed to fight Chavez for less than 30%

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      #32
      Originally posted by _Maxi
      Golovking also dared to be great. What did Kovalev do to be great? did he move up to CW? no, he's a natural LHW. Golovkin is a natural MW and he's always fought the best in 160 and never avoided anyone. So I think it's safe to say that both had the same attitude.

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        #33
        Originally posted by aldo5408
        Those fights happened because kov was willing to take less money and be the B side. Gg has moved more money than his opponents in every fight he refuses to acknowledge that in some situations he would be the B side
        First off, Hopkins fought Kovalev because he decided to. Not one person on the planet would criticize a 49 year old Hopkins for not fighting Kovalev. Hopkins had two Light Heavyweight belts and the IBF was trying to force another easy mandatory. Hopkins could have easily went down that road again and milked another easy title defense. And no one would blame him. But, he wanted a unification which was either Stevenson or Kovalev, Stevenson/Haymon stalled so Hopkins went with Kovalev. Again, he didn't have to do that at all.

        Second, what middleweight fight has Golovkin passed up on because of money? There isn't a single potential fight where that happened. He obviously would have taken less money against Cotto and would have been the "B side", that was never an issue, and he would have/will take less money against Canelo. Likewise was true for Sergio Martinez, Felix Sturm and so on. I feel you made that comment out of the side of your neck being there hasn't been any situation at middleweight where "A side, B side" and money was an issue. Not once. You're probably twisting Team Golovkins stance when it came to moving up in weight - they'd only do so if there is a lot of money involved. Golovkin is in his mid 30s, it's clear he wants to stay at middleweight where he belongs so it makes sense they aren't going to leave the division unless it's worth it (Froch, Chavez before he turned into a complete bum, were potential big fights), he's not going to move up for some random 168 pound guy and nor should he (same goes for Kovalev, Carl Froch, etc etc etc).
        Last edited by ИATAS; 12-25-2015, 01:28 AM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by HeroBando
          Why should he take short money vs those guys? He is easily the bigger draw, by a mile. He usually concedes a very generous split for the challenger eg 2m vs Lemieux 1.5m. Remember he signed to fight Chavez for less than 30%
          It's easy to concede that when you're making money by taking step asides. He's on his 3rd step aside now. I bet he's made over $2mil in step asides alone.

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            #35
            Originally posted by ИATAS
            First off, Hopkins fought Kovalev because he decided to. Not one person on the planet would criticize a 49 year old Hopkins for not fighting Kovalev. Hopkins had two Light Heavyweight belts and the IBF was trying to force another easy mandatory. Hopkins could have easily went down that road again and milked another easy title defense. And no one would blame him. But, he wanted a unification which was either Stevenson or Kovalev, Stevenson/Haymon stalled so Hopkins went with Kovalev. Again, he didn't have to do that at all.

            Second, what middleweight fight has Golovkin passed up on because of money? There isn't a single potential fight where that happened. He obviously would have taken less money against Cotto and would have been the "B side", that was never an issue, and he would have/will take less money against Canelo. Likewise was true for Sergio Martinez, Felix Sturm and so on. I feel you made that comment out of the side of your neck being there hasn't been any situation at middleweight where "A side, B side" and money was an issue. Not once. You're probably twisting Team Golovkins stance when it came to moving up in weight - they'd only do so if there is a lot of money involved. Golovkin is in his mid 30s, it's clear he wants to stay at middleweight where he belongs so it makes sense they aren't going to leave the division unless it's worth it (Froch, Chavez before he turned into a complete bum, were potential big fights), he's not going to move up for some random 168 pound guy and nor should he (same goes for Kovalev, Carl Froch, etc etc etc).
            He got paid twice by Cotto not to take the fight and about to get paid by Canelo not to take the fight. If they're paying him money to keep the belt they value the belt. They ain't gonna drop the belt if he forces his mandatory.

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              #36
              Originally posted by about.thousands
              It's easy to concede that when you're making money by taking step asides. He's on his 3rd step aside now. I bet he's made over $2mil in step asides alone.
              He got two from Cotto, over a million. With those situations it was either step aside and take some money, or don't take any money and get stepped over. Cotto was going to fight Martinez regardless if Golovkin protested and Cotto was going to fight Canelo no matter what. Cotto valued the belt both times so he paid the money.

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                #37
                Originally posted by ИATAS
                He got two from Cotto, over a million. With those situations it was either step aside and take some money, or don't take any money and get stepped over. Cotto was going to fight Martinez regardless if Golovkin protested and Cotto was going to fight Canelo no matter what. Cotto valued the belt both times so he paid the money.
                Like I said. He'd rather take the money than fight for the belt.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by about.thousands
                  Like I said. He'd rather take the money than fight for the belt.
                  So apparently reading comprehension isn't a strong point of yours. He absolutely tried to fight for the belt. He couldn't and as a result got some money out of it.

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                    #39
                    Obv kov has done more right now, HBO just likes ggg more

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                      #40
                      Are we arguing that somehow Golovkin would rather get some step aside money rather than fight Cotto on PPV.

                      Oh em gee, Triple Duck was ducking Cotto all along.

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